Inner Peace... How can drugs help us?

[hashASHtown]

I have been fortunate enough to find peace in this life. It happened to me several times while on acid. Twice this happened, once alone in the woods (far enough in to not hear or see society) and a second time with my brother and a friend on a river (again far enough to not hear or see society). Both were in the summer time on beautiful days (birds chirping, wind blowing, sun shining).

Its been a year and a half since this happened to me and my friends (who had the same painless tear in their eyes when we snapped out of meditation). Everyday I still think about how beautiful life can be, but I continue to live trapped, waiting to freed from the clutches of my destructive mind.

I smoke weed everyday, I take adderol (for school and social events) and xanax (for anxiety). I often feel that the only way to find everlasting peace is to die, I live everyday hoping this is not true.

I do not like these man-made chemicals (adderol makes me irritable when i come down and xanax is addictive). I've found ways to make the aftereffects of adderol less shitty and I believe I've found an all natural, non-addictive regiment for xanax (kava-kava, 5-htp, valerian root). I do think that man-made chemicals have their purpose (obviously acid did something powerful for me) and this is a perfect example of man as the true creator-god (buddhism). The problem is that many men aren't interested in helping others, as much as helping themselves... and thus many prescription drugs are simply allowed to help keep man quiet (xanax) and working hard (adderol) to keep the world operating in the way it currently does (in my words, "shittily").

I never would have found peace if it wasn't for acid, it was sort of my guru. A lot of people I have talked to claim that they have obtained peace, but I believe all they've obtained is an acceptance for their life of suffering. I believe this because once you've seen reality (or experienced peace), you will strive everyday to return to that state and I will be able to see in your eyes how deeply it affected you. This does not matter though, I can not give anything to anyone unless I make it my own.

Here is the question... Now that I've seen it, are the drugs still necessary? I do not believe in good or bad, and thus cannot believe that drugs are bad, but I do feel that they (hallucinogens in this case) are practically useless without a focused and determined mind.

I have to find a way to break this cycle... please help.

[hashASHtown]

I just did research on fasting... there are many different claims for how long a man can go without food, but it appears that it is possible to fast for 40 days just as jesus did prior to starting his ministry (buddha also fasted for many years before he became enlightened).
I end school soon, and unless I have any better ideas by the end of it... I think I will do this

[KundaliniRising]

I have the answer to your question strangely, and I'm on LSD right now and experienced this same sort of thought in the woods just a few short moments ago.

When I did acid when I was younger, the way it changed my thinking was incredible, every thought I had of the way things are and work in the world was so profound.


Well my friend, I'm on LSD right now, it's legit LSD, I feel it in my body, I see it in my surroundings, but my thoughts? They're exactly the same as when I'm sober. I've noticed this the last time I tripped, but there were still a couple thoughts that were out of the ordinary that were "deep" so to speak. Not this time, absolutely nothing is different in my thought process, and I'm tripping fairly hard as far as how I feel and the visuals.

So too me, it's basically that I've learned all LSD can teach. I'm enlightened so to speak as far as this hallucinogen goes. My mind is permanently locked into the way LSD makes you think, and by taking it, only physical and visual sensations change.

edit: as far as other hallucinogens they might hold a few more answers, I'm not very experienced with shrooms, but last time I took them I didn't have any life changing thoughts, the visuals were just intense, so I think it's pretty safe to say that no, the drugs aren't necessary after a certain point. When you can take a drug that makes some people go temporarily insane and have no change in mindset whatsoever, then you have to seek enlightenment from another method, which I already preach to psychonauts anyway, drugs only take u so far down the rabbit hole

[hashASHtown]

The enlightenment I speak of is beyond thought. Everyone tunes in to thought so they can interpret what they see and feel for communication and connection with others. These words are essentially dead and meaningless though, especially when it comes to matters of the soul. For example, the chinese have some 10+ words for love, whereas the english language contains one. How can this word "love" truly describe such a complex emotion that can be experienced in so many different forms. So man becomes a computer, constantly processing... viewing the world, linking it to other information stored in the mind, and spitting out this skewed meaningless version in the form of words.

All acid (and other hallucinogens) does to thought is make it more insane than usual. It is when we let go of thoughts ( desires, memories, fear) that the mind opens up and experiences the truth of reality, and this is ecstasy/peace/love/. To describe it to someone kind of takes away from it because the other person can't imagine such a thing, but I will try my best. It feels as though you are seeing the world for the first time. There is a common soul (my god) that connects everything, a steady pulse that moves through everything, dead or alive. Locking on to the pulse makes you god, makes you able to interact with the world in a way I never knew possible.

Finding it is one thing, keeping it will be a little more complicated.

[KundaliniRising]

Trust me man I know exactly what you mean, I've experienced it to, but taking LSD no longer produces that effect or the deep ponderings (is that a word?) on life that it once did.

It's unexplainable in words when everything clicks and you experience it, and I've experienced it even before as a child for no reason just looking up at the sky and wondering about "god", thinking about the bond I had with friends and family, the feeling that everything is absolutely perfect, it's a feeling almost in your stomach like when your heart is broken, only the complete opposite and it's beyond feeling happy or excited or whatever..

[hashASHtown]

I would assume that before I can remember I was in that state, before I learned language. And I have had more mellow, less fulfilling experiences while meditating on marijuana. It seems as though the more powerful hallucinogens are the drugs that push me to another plane of existence, but it is only effective when my mind is focused and in a self imposed trance state. I always come out of it though, feeling more powerful for a while and eventually back to where I started it seems. I can still get it on acid or dmt but it always goes away...

When I wrote about fasting for 40 days earlier, the idea is that facing death head on may allow me (or anyone else) to rise to an everlasting state of enlightenment. I know this may seem strange but I think giving everything up is the only way.

[doublestuffed69]

i really enjoyed reading this thread because i have always though there was this "enlightenment" that everyone would be able to reach but not necessarily understand. I feel i don't have much to contribute to this thread but i would love more than anything to experience this. I often find my myself deeply pondering about these unexplainable near-impossible questions to wrap your mind around. I've had thoughts like this ever since about 7th or 8th grade when one night me and my best friend lied down in the middle of my street late at night gazing up into the stars just asking each other the most mind blowing questions. sorry if this post was a waste of time/space, but i would really love to be able to relate to you guys, more than anything.

[hashASHtown]

I believe it is those asking those questions is the beginning of a path towards enlightenment... the questions will never be answered though, there is no answer for the important ones. One of the only fulfilling things that remain in this world for me is to have a positive influence on others, knowledge of self is the only knowledge worth obtaining. Thankyou for your reply.

[Ryan1411]

Imma pitch in even though it isn't really related to acid. I've never even done acid yet.

But I've been really fucking analytical about life the past year. Before a year ago, I had lived a completely emotionless life, other than a sense of well-being. I never looked forward to anything, because I needed nothing. I needed no one, because I had forgotten what being human felt like. I was dedicated to bodybuilding. That was my life. It was my natural opiate and it kept me flying high. Until a year ago when I felt love/infatuation/limerance, whatever the hell it was, it felt like crack. Lame I know.

My mind was suddenly raped with regret and inferiority and envy. Those were my darkest days, which is why I became so analytical about life. I had to cope somehow. I realized that as humans we are always looking for some kind of emotional fix, whether it be through love, sex, social interaction, drugs, whatever. That's why I had peace in my former years damnit. Because I craved nothing.

But now that I've felt that sting of the highest of highs I crave that intensity. My former years feel empty. Dead. I noticed a huge shift in my state of mind, too. I feel like a human. And I always dream of this life... It's not a sense of peace like I once felt though. I dream of this sense of peace but on another level of consiousness, or something. High mental stimulation, emotional fulfillment, this sense of completeness and total satisfaction. I dunno. I hope to try acid though. And ecstasy. I imagine they can give me some insight.

[hashASHtown]

Thankyou... it is nice to hear all of those things. I feel that this natural meditative state does hold peace within it (with marijuana or sober), but it is the hallucinogens that connect me to the rest of the world. Connecting to the universal soul (and thus becoming one with it) seems to give me the power of a god (the freedom to manipulate the world, my world, as I see fit). When I say this, it is because:

I felt like a god

I could connect with literally everything I saw or felt at once

and most importantly:

a heard of 20-30 cattle that had been spread across the field had gathered near us while we were meditating. We could not see them from the bottom of the hill where we were meditating, but they were there to greet us after the 3-4 hour session. The cows were in a perfect row all staring at us from across the fence. As we walked closer they all began eating grass in a freakish manner probably because they could feel our energy. This is when I raised my hand, directing my energy to a particular cow while looking in his eyes. After several moments the cow began to shake in his front legs. This is when I got scared and broke out into an allergy attack.


This seems counter-intuitive as many people like me believe that life is moving, you can't stop what is coming - stop trying and you will find peace. But I think that humans are god's that don't know it yet. I think this is what separates us from animals, the ability control the world.

Now that I think about it, I think that living plants and animals are the upgrade from lifeless matter. They were given the ability to interact with the world rather than swirve along without purpose. Really matter upgraded to algae, algae to...

Lets start at plants in general. Practically no movement, no mind, no connection to other beings. Plants upgrade to animals. Ability to move, interact with others, and subject to the laws of nature, living in a difficult world, without the ability to change their path. Animals upgrade to humans. Humans move, interact with others, connect with others (language), and can manipulate the world both physically (as you already know) and metaphysically.

I believe that all of these other beings (plants and animals) are at peace, accepting what is. So peace is not all I'm looking for I guess. I always put it that way, but I think that being at peace (meditating) while on hallucinogens brings out the god inside of you.
Meditating while sober or stoned is usually enough to keep me going (although I admit it has not been more than a half hour a couple times a week most recently), but I want the feeling of ecstasy/love/peace of being god to last forever.

[YEM]

Desiring something to happen forever is like desiring cows to fall from the sky.

[hashASHtown]

But others have been enlightened, so my desire is not the equivalent of "cows falling from the sky."

[LittleJacob]

I think his point is that you are desiring something to happen, when enlightenment is realizing that everything IS happening. Always. And thus, enlightenment. What you are desiring to realize is simply everything in front of you, for that is all the enlightened masters realize they truly know. And everything in front of them is also nothing.

http://fora.tv/2009/10/22/Deepak_Cho...lf#fullprogram

Originally Posted by YEM

Isn't wanting just an illusion that our egoistic self sets up?

When it comes down to it, it won't make you, more you, whatever that want is.

It won't make your life anymore fulfilling than it already is.

The key is in realizing that no desire will ever fulfill your sense of self since you are already yourself.

Realize that by entering this desireless state that everything you need will be find a way to you, effortlessly.

You will not be the one finding the way to the need, rather the need finding a way to you.

YEM said it pretty well too

[Chronic777]

Meditation is tremendous, meditating on a little bit of weed can be amazing too
But it can be just as good or better without it

Ive had my own fair useage of shrooms lsd & cannabis, they are all great entheogens

But when you know how to 'tune in' you dont need then anymore...

[hashASHtown]

everyone here obviously has some insight into reality... but, the wisdom that we've gained is not enough to bring about the change we seek. I know all of the things you say are true, but "knowing" is not "living." I've known the truth for years... I seek to be that truth forever.