Anybody here a freemason?

[Hatz]

damn, i believe that the NWO is not a conspiracy theory. there's a government thats out to fuck us, and sooner or later, we'll all have to find a way to fight back, even if that means with weapons. just imagine as another WW3. you never know what the fuck is up these days in society, you shouldn't even believe what the media is telling you, because all of them play a part. theyre slowly fucking up the music industry, recruiting top-hit artists to spread subliminal messages to us without us realizing, because we're too busy caring about other shit, but it builds up.

ever heard about the jay-z and nas beef? notice how nas says "you traded your soul for riches." and after all that shit, i'm pretty sure nas sold himself out, because he's doin shit freemasons would do, the pyramid, the handshake, and his lyrics has changed. there's alot of more shit behind this.

[The-Doctor]

I'd never dedicate myself to any religion, society, sect or cult. I am my own person, I don't need these God or some person at the top of a hierarchy to define myself for me and nor should anyone else. You don't have to hand your devotion over to these people to make yourself better because all you're doing is giving them influence over you yourself - your life, your decisions. Who needs that? Live free.

[G-MAN]

Originally Posted by ItWasAGoodDay.

my dad WAS a free mason at one point. He won't tell me or my mom what went on behind closed doors. Although he did leave willingly on his own....

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[MelT]

Debunking Common Myths about Freemasonry

Modern Freemasonry has been around since 1717. The first concocted untruths about the Order appeared in print at almost the same time. The United States was consumed by anti-Masonic hysteria in the late 1820s, and Europe has made Mason-bashing a popular sport for two centuries, often tying it to anti-Semitic propaganda. The Internet has only served to resurrect these myths, as they get dragged out and repeated all over again. Here are some of the most common ones.
The lodge goat

Freemasons do not ride a goat in their lodges. It's a joke, perpetrated often by Masons themselves on nervous initiates.

Since at least the Middle Ages, the goat has been symbolic of the devil, and stories were circulated then of witches who called forth Satan, who came riding into town on a goat to take part in their blasphemous orgies. Then, as the Freemasons gained in popularity, detractors accused them of witchcraft, which is probably where the notion of initiates riding a goat came from.

It didn't help that some early ritual books from the fraternity referred to God as "God of All Things" and abbreviated it as G.O.A.T. That was quickly changed, and God is now referred to by Masons by the acronym G.A.O.T.U., for Grand Architect of the Universe.
Old catalogs from fraternal supply companies in the late 1800s actually offered mechanical goats for use in other fraternal organizations and "fun" degrees. As the golden age of fraternalism resulted in literally hundreds of other groups popping up in competition with the Masons, some were obviously less serious than others. Such items only served to perpetuate the myth that Masons and other fraternities required a goat-ride ritual for their initiations. Freemasonry never has.

Rest assured: There is no lodge goat. The degrees of Masonry are serious business to Freemasons, and there is no horseplay (or goatplay).
The All-Seeing Eye and the U.S. $1 bill

If you saw the movie National Treasure, you know all about this one. The back of the U.S. $1 bill contains Masonic imagery of the All-Seeing Eye over an Egyptian pyramid. And everybody knows that's a Masonic symbol, right?

Well, not really. The eye and the pyramid are actually part of the Great Seal of the United States, which was put on the back of the $1 bill in 1935. There is indeed an All-Seeing Eye floating over an unfinished pyramid, with the words annuit coeptis (Latin meaning, "He [God] has favored our undertakings").

Beneath it are the words, novus ordo seclorum, which translate as "A new order of the ages." It does not mean "a new world order," as has been alleged, which is just one more reason to lament that high schools don't teach Latin classes anymore. (New world order would be written as novus ordo mundi. So there. Now go conjugate ten irregular verbs.)

A committee of four men, including Benjamin Franklin (the only Freemason in the bunch), designed the Great Seal of the United States in 1776. The image of the eye within a triangle to represent God was suggested by the only artist among them, Pierre du Simitiere — who was not a Freemason. Two other committees tinkered with the design before being approved. The unfinished pyramid was suggested by Francis Hopkinson (another non-Mason), and none of the final designers was a Mason.

The eye within a triangle to represent God appears throughout the Renaissance, long before speculative Freemasonry arrived on the scene. The triangle being three-sided represents the Christian belief in the Trinity of God — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. No records associate Freemasonry with the symbol before 1797, nor is the symbol in any way related to the Bavarian Illuminati.

As for the unfinished pyramid, it represents the strong, new nation of the United States, destined to stand for centuries, just as the famous pyramids have stood in Egypt. There are 13 rows of stones, representing the 13 original colonies, with the image of God watching over them.

Many Masonic lodges, especially in Europe, display the All-Seeing Eye just as it is used on the $1 bill — as a nondenominational representation of God. There is nothing sinister or occult about it, and there are numerous instances of it appearing in Christian art from the 1600s onward.
The Masonic bible

Masons have been accused of using their own, presumably Satanic, bible in their ceremonies. Many people have seen Masonic bibles for sale on eBay and elsewhere and clearly believe that Bibles used by Masons are somehow different.

This myth is actually a two-part one. Lodges in predominantly Christian communities commonly have the custom of presenting the new Master Mason with a commemorative heirloom Bible. In the United States, the most common one is the 1611 translation of the King James version, published especially for Masonic lodges by Heirloom Bible Publishers of Wichita, Kansas. It contains an area in the front for the Mason to commemorate important dates in his degree work, places for his brethren to sign the record of his degrees, and a 94-page glossary of biblical references relating to Masonic ceremonies, along with essays about Masonry and some common questions and answers. The rest of it is the entire King James version of the Old and New Testament that is available in any bookstore.

The second part of this myth has to do with the use of the Volume of Sacred Law in a Masonic lodge. All regular, well-governed lodges must have a book considered sacred to its members open on the lodge altar during meetings. Depending on what part of the world the lodge is in and the beliefs of the lodge's members, this sacred book could be the Bible, the Hebrew Tanach, the Muslim Koran, the Hindu Veda, the Zoroastrian Zend-Avesta, or the Proverbs of Confucius. It's simply referred to as the Volume of Sacred Law, as a nonsectarian term.

In the lodges that operate within the Grand Orient of France, atheists are allowed to join. The Grand Orient believes that a man's religious beliefs — or lack of them — are his own business and that it's improper for their lodges to require him to believe in anything. Furthermore, instead of filling up their altars with many sacred books to satisfy members of many faiths, their lodges are allowed to substitute a book with blank pages as their Volume of Sacred Law, so as not to force any religious beliefs on any of their members.

Remember: The Grand Orient of France is considered irregular and is unrecognized by mainstream Grand Lodges around the world. Even so, a blank book is no Masonic Bible either.

I might add to the above that if the Masons were connected with Devil worship it would not be a basic requirement for potential Masons to be believers in God, as they have to be.

MelT

[maxrule]

All the names of our days of week, of month, our holidays, our planets, you name it and it has occult pagan connotations. Even Santa is actually Satan with only two letters reversed. Where do you think all this 'occult mysticism' came from?

Freemasonry uses the metaphors of operative stonemasons' tools and implements, against the allegorical backdrop of the building of King Solomon's Temple, to convey what has been described by both Masons and critics as "a system of morality veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols."[4][5]


Masons conduct their meetings using a ritualised format. There is no single Masonic ritual, and each Jurisdiction is free to set (or not set) its own ritual. However, there are similarities that exist among Jurisdictions. For example, all Masonic ritual makes use of the architectural symbolism of the tools of the medieval operative stonemason. Freemasons, as speculative masons (meaning philosophical building rather than actual building), use this symbolism to teach moral and ethical lessons of the principles of "Brotherly Love, Relief, and Truth" – or as related in France: "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity".

Freemasonry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Pro 16:25


Egyption Eye of Horus


Masonic Symbolism


Roman Catholic Church

But the Lodge got its symbols from the Church, not the other way around.

The skull and crossbones, as seen in this photo at the Shrine of Saint Joseph in downtown Saint Louis, Missouri, is an obvious symbol for death. The butterfly is an ancient symbol for the resurrection: the lowly caterpillar enters a burial shroud-like chrysalis, and is reborn as a glorious butterfly, which ascends to the heavens. One of the Greek words for butterfly is psyche, which also is the Greek word for soul, which reinforces this symbolism. The monogram☧is made of the Greek letters chi, Χ and rho, Ρ, which are the first two letters in Χριστός, Christós, Christ. Therefore this is a symbol for the resurrection of Christ, and by implication, those who are united with Him.

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And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; Dan 8:25

[H2O420]

Originally Posted by maxrule

Egyption Eye of Horus

You don't know what you just did, but it's been done and I can't forget it, even though it's already gone.

[KundaliniRising]

Stay away from the Freemasons, they've been infiltrated and no longer teach that of the Mystery's. Occult means "hidden" occult "hidden" knowledge. It's the truth, you must find it though, because they aren't gonna come out and tell you it, it wouldn't be in big brothers best interest to have powerful free thinking people roaming the earth, they want that power all to themselves.

[maxrule]

This was a great debate, totally on topic for this thread. Phelps nails it there at the end. Stay away from Freemasonry unless you like it really hot.

YouTube - Eric Jon Phelps and Michael Collins...

[MelT]

I think I detect a certain bias here to try and paint freemasonry in the way that Tsarion, Hancock and the rest of the woo-woos want to paint freemasonry so that they can maintain the idea of the NWO. Load of old nonsense. So a group who requires that you believe in a supreme being and requires that you do good for each other and the world is bad? Just because something doesn't have its roots in christianity doesn't make it wrong, pagan or black magic. The good deeds that Masons do every day would suprise you.

TBH, I think if anyone did join the Masons they would be very, very disappointed by what they get up to. More gumf spread to sell books.

MelT

[Jakigi]

Originally Posted by The-Doctor

I'd never dedicate myself to any religion, society, sect or cult. I am my own person, I don't need these God or some person at the top of a hierarchy to define myself for me and nor should anyone else. You don't have to hand your devotion over to these people to make yourself better because all you're doing is giving them influence over you yourself - your life, your decisions. Who needs that? Live free.

Word.

[guanzo]

Originally Posted by The-Doctor

I'd never dedicate myself to any religion, society, sect or cult. I am my own person, I don't need these God or some person at the top of a hierarchy to define myself for me and nor should anyone else. You don't have to hand your devotion over to these people to make yourself better because all you're doing is giving them influence over you yourself - your life, your decisions. Who needs that? Live free.

Well said. I'm impressed, inspired, and in agreement with you.

[vApe420]

wow man i just watched the interview with professor griff from public enemy and i'm just totally speach-less. i'm very familiar with hip-hop and some of its artists including artists that he mentioned, pimp c, tupac, suge knight, jay z. i loved tupac, he was a great artist and truely spoke from the heart, there's alot of info out that there that shows suge knight was indeed the one that got tupac killed. And Alliah, it's just crazy. I really love this guy Prof. Griffen he truely speaks from his sole. It's just kinda sad to hear all of this. I'm glad though, its reawakening. People are so trapped in their everyday lives, school, work, job; atleast marijuana allows u to escape from these emenities and reflect on life on a different scale.

[Budwisesir]

[chronicman00]

haha theres a freemason center a couple blocks away from my house

[edward]

Originally Posted by Budwisesir

You sir, are a Freemason. Just a hunch...