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07-02-2004, 10:43 PM
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Prophecy Come True...
Hi... A bunch of you have asked me for the prophecies that have come true regarding the end times... This first post will be a copy of one I posted a while ago about the 4-fold prophecy given in Matthew 24. I will post one right after about the return of the Jews to the land of Palestine and how it signifies that we're living in the end times...
EDIT: Plese be sure to read these posts in their entirety. If you do not have a long time to read, or the patience to read a couple of very long posts (the second one is the longer one), then wait until you do. Also, Please pay very careful attention to what is being said. You'll miss it if you don't. "And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows." - Matthew 24:3-8. Here we can see Jesus gives a pretty clear description of what the world will be like at his return. In verses 4-6 there is given a few events that aren't really connected with the end times. He gives descriptions of false Christs, and wars and rumours of wars. These have been occuring throughout history, but if you'll notice he says "all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet." So we can see here that these particular events aren't signs of the end. But let's move on to verses 7 and 8. Here we can see a 4-fold sign of the end. All four of these things must happen all around the same time, and they must be the worst in history. The signs are "nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows." We can tell that they must happen together because it says "all these are the beginning of sorrows." Now, let's go into this a little more. I'm going to go through each sign and show when it happened. WORLD WAR When Jesus said in verse 7 that "nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom," He used an Old Testament idiom, found in two passages of Scripture (2 Chronicles 15:6, and Isaiah 19:2), which describes a war which begins with one nation coming against another nation, and growing to include all the nations before the eyes of the prophet. The whole world is before the eyes of Jesus in Matthew 24, and He sees a war which will include all of the major nations of the world. In 1914-1918, World War I involved all the nations of the world with the exception of the seven minor nations: the three Scandinavian countries, Spain, Portugal, Holland, and Switzerland. All of the other nations where enveloped in World War I - 93 percent of them. According to the Encyclopedia Americana and the book Why Wars Must Cease, in World War I the combined armies totalled 65,000,000 men, and there were 37,500,000 total casualties. One out of every four soldier died. One English statistician, Crammond, sets the direct cost of that war at $210,000,000,000 and the direct and indirect cost at $370,000,000,000. FAMINE Famine always follows war. Following World War I came the great Chinese famine in 1920, about which the London Times gave a summary on December 15, 1920: "The population now totally destitute in Chihli is 6,000,000; in Shantung, 2,500,000; in Honan, 3,500,000; in Shensi, 1,000,000; in Shansi, 500,000 - a total of 13,500,000." Then, only eighteen months later, the Volga Valley in Russia was swept by famine. Louis S. Bauman quotes statements by contemporary observers: The Archbishop of Canterbury said at the time: "Never in the history of the world has a condition of things existed comparable to the ghastly death by famine of the whole millions of men, women, and children." The famous Doctor Nansen, having accurate knowledge, said, "The famine is beyond all doubt the most appalling that has ever happened in the recorded history of man." ... "Thirty thousand Russians are dying of starvation every day," D.M. Panton of London wrote. In 1929 the Chicago Tribune wrote of another great famine in China: "Latest reports on the famine indicate 30 million persons are afflicted instead of the 20 million first reported ... Competent authorities expressed fear that 15,000,000 persons might perish." ... In North China alone, the China Famine Relief, U.S.A., with headquarters in N.Y., printed in its appeal: "The tragedy of over 8,000,000 human beings having starved to death is one of the most terrible in history." PESTILENCES Terrible pestilences followed World War I. The London Times reported that six million people died in twelve weeks' time from what was called the "Spanish influenza," and they reported, "This plague is five times more deadly than war. Never since the Black Death has such a plague swept over the face of the world." **{{{On a side note, the black death primarily struck Europe, the Spanish flu struck the entire world}}}** In India five million died because of it; in the Arctic whole Eskimo villages were wiped out by it; in the Fiji Islands 85 percent of the people were stricken; in the United States of America, 500,000 people died; and the total figure given for those who died because of this pestilence is 20 million. No country on earth escaped its ravages. Major Norman White, sanitary commissioner for India, declared, "It is an epidemic in many respects without parallel in the history of disease." EARTHQUAKES Jesus said there would be "earthquakes, in divers places." The greatest earthquakes that have ever shaken this world have all come since the close of World War I. Several of them shook the whole earth. An official report of the earthquake in China in December, 1920, gave the loss of life around the Ching Ting Choo district as three hundred thousand, and a C.I.M. missionary said that "working on this proportion, it would mean that between 500,000 to 1,000,000 lost their lives." The World Encyclopedia said this earthquake was three times as deadly as any earthquake ever recorded before World War I, and that others since that time have been far more destructive than any recorded earthquake before that time. Now, we can see that all these things have happened together in the same period of history. They have also been the worst in recorded history. This has a striking similarity to the description given by Jesus in Matthew 24. But that's not all, now only do these prophecies point to what to look for at the end, they also tell us that not everyone who was alive to see these things will be dead when Jesus returns. We can see this a little further in Matthew 24. In verses 32-34 Jesus comes back to the subject He left off in verses 7 and 8 and says: "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; when his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." The Greek term for "all these things," found in verses 33 and 34, is panta tauta, which is the same term found in verse 8, "all these." So when we see "all these things," we can know that the coming of Christ "is near, even at the doors." Then Jesus made a very important statement which has been misunderstood by some Bible scholars through the years: "Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled" (v. 34). "this generation" in the Greek is he genea haute. The demonstrative pronoun haute that ALWAYS refers to the one person or thing last mentioned before it - when in the singular (which it is in this case). The thing we see last before he genea haute (v. 34) is "all these things" which refers back to the four-fold prophecy (isn't Greek helpful?). This clearly shows that some of those who are alive to see the four-fold prophecy be fullfilled will still be alive to see Jesus' return (which begins the tribulation period, armageddon, and the end).
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07-02-2004, 10:45 PM
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The Return Of The Jews To Palestine...
I warn you now... this is LOOOOONG. I mean, VERY long. So please take your time and make sure you read everything.
For now, I will post one of the most significant signs that we're living in the end times. In scripture it is prophecied that there will be 1 final regathering of the Jews to Israel. During this time, they will regain control of their land, rebuild the temple (after the rapture, sometime during the tribulation period), and they will stay in their land forever. There is a common scripture between this prophecy and the one of Matthew 24. In fact, some also consider this following prophecy to be linked to the 4-fold prophecy. We already covered the 4-fold prophecy given in Matthew 24, so I won't go into too much detail about that, but basically all the things given in Matthew 24:7 must happen together (Matthew 24:8), and this will signify the beginning of the generation which will be alive to see Christs' return. Later on in verse 32 we see the following scripture: "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Israel is often referred to as a Fig tree. So when the fig tree (Israel) is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves (is ragathering) ye know that summer is nigh: so likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things (the return of the Jews, and the 4-fold prophecy given in verses 7, 8) know that it (the end) is near, even at the doors. Are we seeing this final regathering? I believe so. Most of the following is taken from a book called Prophecy Made Plain For Times Like These by Carl Johnson, and the Bible. I will have some of my own comments thrown in there from time to time, usually following a passage of scripture. The reason I'm using this book is because this guy's been a student of prophecy for over 50 years, and because he has many, many sources in his book. Anything with [brackets] around it (in the scripture verses that follow) are my words, and not found in the Scriptures. They are for helping keep it in context, or further elaborate on what's being said. The Return Of The Jews to The Land Of Palestine Perhaps the most significant sign is the return of the Jews to the land of Palestine. God promised the land of Palestine to the Jews back in the days of Abraham.
**NOTE** This shows that God promised the land of Canaan (Palestine) to the Jews for ever. Genesis was also written BEFORE they went into the land of Canaan. We can clearly see this prophecy has come true seeing as how the Jews eventually inhabited Canaan. They were scattered twice since they first entered into Israel, and have returned again during the 1900's. They were told if they obeyed God, He would bless them (Deuteronomy 28:1-14), and if they disobeyed God, He would chasten them (Deuteronomy 28:15-68). They disobeyed God and were taken into captivity by the Assyrians and Babylonians hundreds of years before Christ. They returned from their captivity to the land of Palestine, but again in A.D. 70 they were expelled from their land (this is why, in Matthew 24:32, it talks about a regathering of Israel. Jesus knew they would again be scattered [There is other scripture to back this up] and that they would return one last time before the end). For almost twenty-six hundred years, Palestine has been under the control of Gentile people, since the days of Nebuchadnezzar (about 586 B.C.). The Jews have been scattered over the entire earth for almost nineteen hundred years, but God promised many times in his Word that He would return them to their land.
So now we have the foundation down for the rest of this post. We see that God promises to scatter the Jews twice. Once during the Babylonian captivity, and the other occured shortly after the crusifixion of Christ (about 70 A.D.). We also see that God promises to regather the nation to the land for ever, and that the second regathering would be the final one. We're also given scripture that shows that this final regathering will happen after something that unites Israel from two nations back to one nation again. It says that they will be one nation forever after this. So when we see Israel regather, then united into one nation, we can know that they will be there forever, and that the end is near (as previously determined from the Matthew 24 prophecy 'all these things'). So have we seen this final regathering? I think so. Here's why: During World War I, Palestine was made ready for the Jew. At that time, Jerusalem was occupied by the Turks. Its capture by the British was accomplished in a meaningful way. Out of Egypt a long line of British soldiers marched, led by General Edmund Henry Allenby, a Christian. When Allenby was a child, he had been taught to close his prayer with a special plea for Israel: "Forget not Thine ancient people. Hasten the day when they shall be restored to Thy favor and to their land." As he and his troops approached the city of Jerusalem, he was much concerned about not destroying the city and holy places. On the night before the British were to attack Jerusalem, he spent the night in prayer and Bible study. Sometime during the night, God gave him a verse of Scripture, Isaiah 31:5, which he used at the break of day as his strategy against the city. on December 11, 1917, he sent wave after wave of his planes flying low over Jerusalem, and, as a result, the Turks fled from the city. No bombs were dropped, not a shot was fired, not a drop of blood was shed. He assembled his troops before the city and read Isaish 31:5 to them: "As birds flying, so will the LORD of hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also he will deliver it; and passing over he will preserve it." Then he announced, "Men, this day has this scripture been fulfilled before your very eyes." General Allenby's name was appropriate for the occasion, too. In the Turkish language it would be pronounced "Allah-bay," which would mean to a Mohammedan, "prophet of God," or "sent of God." It has been a tradition of the Moslem priesthood for centuries that when a leader by that name comes, Jerusalem must go back to the Jews. During World War I, England found it impossible to obtain an adequate supply of wood alcohol for the production of acetone, which was sorely needed for the manufacture of explosives. Dr. Chaim Weizmann, a Jewish professor active in the cause of the Jewish people, had engaged in research into the production of synthetic acetone from starch and, at the request of the British government, undertook the task of developing the process and building factories for large-scale production. His services to England in this respect were of such outstanding value that the government intended to bestow an honor upon him. But Mr. Weizmann declined the offer and asked instead for a home for the Jew in Palestine. On November 2, 1917, Lord Balfour, who was then foreign secretary, wrote the following letter to a prominent and wealthy Englishman who, as a member of a distinguished Jewish family, represented the Jews of England. "Dear Lord Rothschild: I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with jewish Zionist aspirations, which has been submitted to, and approved by the Cabinet. His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation." This letter is known as the Balfour Declaration, and "was hailed by Jews all over the world as an act of national liberation comparable to the decree of Cyrus of Persia which led to the re-establishment of the Jewish Commonwealth in Judea after the Babylonian Captivity," according to Paul Goodman. When a Jewish State was proclaimed on May 14, 1948, Dr. Chaim Weizmann became the first president of Israel. **NOTE** the first president of Israel. This goes hand-in-hand with the Ezekiel 37 prophecy. Ezekiel 37:23 says: "And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:" How can one not see that this prophecy has been fulfilled? Shortly after Israel was again declared a nation, the Old City of Jerusalem was captured from Jordan. This made Israel one nation again. Then comes Dr. Chaim Weizmann, the "one king" who was "king to them all." World War I prepared the land of Palestine for the Jew. World War II prepared the Jew for the land of Palestine. under Hitler's atrocities, six million jews were slaughtered, and as a result, a conviction came to the Jewish people: "No matter how well we have at first been received in the nations where we have gone, we have sooner or later become the victims of persecution and if we are going to die anyway - we will die in our own land." In 1920 there were only 58 thousand Jews in palestine. By 1935 the population had grown to 375 thousand. But in 1946 it nearly doubled to 675 thousand, and in 1952 it reached the 1 and a half million mark. By 1967 the population was 2 million, 635 thousand. The immigrants have come from 107 countries of the world. Almost fifty thousand new immigrants came to Israel in 1970. Still think this is a joke? Do you find it a coincidence that there's numerous scriptures that all predict a regathering of Israel from people ALL OVER THE WORLD and that they have come from over a hundred different countries at remarkable rates? Do you think it's a coincidence that there's a prophecy speaking of Israel being separated into 2 nations, and then being united back into 1; and then before the 6 day war, Israel is divided into 2 nations, and then during the 6 day war it's united back into one? Do you think it's a coincidence that all these things are all happening at the same time as WWI and the most severe famines, pestilences, and earthquakes that have ever struck the face of the planet? And finally, do you really think it's a coincidence that scripture said that these things would all be happening at the same time, AND that they'd be a sign that the end was near? I'm sorry, but there's a lot of scripture given from all different portions of scripture. They all refer to the same point in history, and give specific signs to look for. This scripture was written over vast amounts of time as well a very large span of the globe. There's no way these people could all write the same things about the same portion of time, and have the things they say will happen, not only agree with eachother, but actually happen. Scripture says that after this final regathering they will rebuild the temple, but that won't happen until after the rapture (they have to have rest from their neighbors in order to build). Well, guess what... they've been making plans to rebuild the temple since the Old City was captured in the six day war. Even the Jews recognize that their regathering is the final regathering, and they are awaiting their Messiah to set up his covenant with them (as was mentioned in several portions of scripture). For now, I hope you've enjoyed the read. There are other prophecies, but this is all for now. When I get some more time I'll post more.
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07-03-2004, 08:29 PM
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Sorry to say, cottons, but ya lost me after the first couple of sentences. No offence, but that was way too long 'n boring. Come on...anyone with his eyes open could make a prophecy that there will be war between nations. That there will be earthquakes 'n pestillence. Don't have to be a prophet to do that.
And there have been wars, pestillence, famine and all kinds of shit BEFORE WW1 (Actually, I don't think there has been ONE day since however long without at least one war). So yer prophecies actually have come true time and time again. Still the world hasn't ended. To me personally these "end of the world-prophecies" are no different than those of Jehovas w's and those thousand other dooms days that have passed without anything happening.
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07-03-2004, 09:15 PM
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Re: The Return Of The Jews To Palestine...
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Ever since the expansion of commerical airlines, how hard is it to move now, and a couple decades ago, compared to moving pre 20th century? Last edited by outaker : 07-03-2004 at 09:20 PM.
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07-03-2004, 10:14 PM
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07-03-2004, 11:41 PM
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The worst war the world has ever seen, was shortly followed by not only the worst famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in history, but the regeneration of Israel being taken place, the 2 nations being re-united, and a single ruler being the ruler of the entire nation of Israel. This is the exact thing that was predicted in the Bible. You can't really use the "anyone could have said that and been right at least some time in the future because those things happen all the time." Try reading these posts carefully, and really listening to what they're saying. The prophet didn't predict wars, famines, earthquakes, and pestilence occuring at some time during history. He predicted them to all happen at the same time, and be the worst in history. This happened between 1914 and 1920. He also predicted that Israel would regather shortly after, or during the same period of time that these events happened. This happened, exactly the way scripture predicted it would (the two Jerusalems thing spoken of earlier). Try opening your eyes and really reading these posts. I know they're long, but a lot of this is complicated, and linked in with a lot of other prophecy. It takes a while to explain some of it sufficiently. Also, it's good to give a lot of scripture verses that are specific. Just helps prove my point better.
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07-04-2004, 02:31 PM
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Now this is only my personal opinion...but I stand by all I wrote before...
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07-04-2004, 07:56 PM
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^I'd agree. Earthquakes and wars, especially with humans, are much too common. With the invention of airplanes, automatic rifles, and other modern warfare technology pre-WWI, how hard is it for a war to consume most of the world? And during post-war, there are always people and religions regathering, moving, and changing.
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07-04-2004, 11:50 PM
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How can you possibly debate something you haven't even read? Easy, YOU CAN'T! If you don't know what the post even says, how can you, in any way, say that I'm "adjusting the terrain according to my map?" You're assuming I'm picking instances of war, famine, earthquakes, and pestilence, and trying to link them together to make it seem like the prophecy has come true... In actuality (and you'd know this if you'd take 10-15 minutes to read a post) this couldn't be any farther from the truth. When you actually take the time to read this post you'll probably see that the prophecy is VERY SPECIFIC. It gives 4 events that all must happen at the same time, and they all must be the worst in recorded history (which they still are by the way, and will continue to be until the Tribulation Period). This is backed up by the literal Greek translations of the texts, and certain rules that apply to the Greek language. It's explained in the post you refuse to read. Anywayz, I'm not going to argue with you anymore. If you don't want to take the time to read the posts, then don't bother wasting our time by posting your debates. They mean absolutely nothing seeing as how you don't even know what it is you're arguing about. If you do decide to read the posts in their entirety, and have questions or comments, I'll be glad to respond. But if you're just going to keep arguing about something you haven't even read, then I'll just politely ignore you. Quote:
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07-05-2004, 04:30 PM
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Whoa, dude....don't lose yer temper. Ok...just to please ya I actally read the whole shebang. And I have to say...it didn't change my mind. Maybe there's one thing you have to understand:
Yer prophecies of dooms day are NOTHING SPECIAL to me. As I said before. It's just one of hundreds of thousend dooms day prophecies. NO post is gonna make me change my view. But just for the fun of it: " For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows." - Matthew 24:3-8. " As I said before: These things have occured SIMULTANEOUSLY before. Nothing new here. And believe it or not...they'll happen again. As outaker said: History is still in the making. And if I may refer to Einstein "I don't know what weapons WWIII will be fought with, but WWIV wil be fought with clubs and stones" (not totally sure about the quote). This means there will be wars way worse than WWI and II. And I do believe that. Y'all just make sure to elect another dumbass cowboy moron from Texas. And if you'd lived during the 100 year war, you'd prolly say: The prophecies have come true .So much for yer: "Now, we can see that all these things have happened together in the same period of history. They have also been the worst in recorded history" Tehy have come true before and each time they were the worst in history. And they will come true again and then they again will be the new "worst" "(isn't Greek helpful?)" Most of the bible is written in hebrew. Translating into greek, then into english is bollocks. You'll alter the meaning of a text. "World War I prepared the land of Palestine for the Jew. World War II prepared the Jew for the land of Palestine. under Hitler's atrocities, six million jews were slaughtered, and as a result, a conviction came to the Jewish people: "No matter how well we have at first been received in the nations where we have gone, we have sooner or later become the victims of persecution and if we are going to die anyway - we will die in our own land."" This is a bit too far fetched. The area we know as Israel was given to the Jews after WWII. If ya wanna relate this to yer four point prophecie from WWI, that's your problem. And btw...there are sooo many jews outside Israel, even if yours were a prophecy, it sure won't come true. And to finish off...a bit of philosophycal advice: ANY WAR IS THE WORST WAR. I think Digit is gonna back me up on this one. As long as only ONE person is killed, that is the worst happening ever. You can't calculate suffering in numbers.
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