Prophecy Come True...

[Liquidtruth]

Originally Posted by IGotTheCottons

You got me on a technicality on that one... Jesus didn't write it, but the writer got it correct because this same passage was also recorded in another Gospel, and it matches the one given in Matthew. It's also talked about in the OT and in other books in the Bible, and they ALL agree as to what's going to happen. Now, keep in mind, that those people who wrote down end times prophecies lived usually centuries apart, and in different countries - So, yeah, it's kind of hard for people to write down things like that and have them agree, if it weren't given by God - taking into consideration that they were, indeed, written in different times, in different localities.

I would not say it is hard when you have a copy of the previous work to reference.

Just thought I would bump this... I think I may (possibly) respond in more depth later, hopefully others find the thread interesting in the mean time.

[MelT]

Hi Cottons, just a thought. You said:

"The words are translated literally, and they are translated word for word (the King James Version that is)."

The Bible is far from being translated literally and never has been. For one thing, subsequent copies of the same bible texts in the same language contain differences, those that are translated to another language are even worse.

In the KJ bible, the translators chose (actually decided) to translate the bible into the kind of english used in britain a hundred+ years before the translation began. The idea behind this was to try to give it weight and an 'old feeling'. All the thee's, thou's and all the rest of it were additions that weren't in the original texts and changed them substantially - not just in structure but in some places meaning too, as the grammar is completly different. This is one reason there's so much inter-faith debate about particular phrases and events in the Bible, as if you read the original texts it says one thing, the bible another.

Also, as in some cases the translators were working with idioms they truly didn't understand they simply made up what seemed appropriate to fill in the gaps. There are a lot of translator errors, the most famous being that 666 is the 'number of the beast'. In fact in the original text(s) it was (I seem to remember) 617 in one and 672 in another.

We've also got different testimonies from the Apostles about the same events too. Mathew, Mark, Luke and John are notoriously hard to align as they all describe events in Jesus' with different facts, so it's hard to know which one is right.

If you get a chance, get the direct translation texts from the DSScrolls library, you'll see the originals were written in a far more modern sounding way than what you see in the bible now. It's never been a word for word translation.

MelT

[HighGrowMan]

Well cottons, you don't make it easy for anybody to listen to you. I suppose you don't understand that fewer words are often better than many. However, I have many times been victim of the same thing.

That said, the famines that were prophesied in the bible have not yet occured, they will occur after a one world government has been estabilished and the leaders of the government have utter contempt for humanity and are driven only by greed.

You can see that this is already beginning now, however it will get worse and will touch all corners of the earth. I would not be surprised if this were to happen within the next 20 yrs. However it is important to note that the end times isn't really the end, it is just the beggining of a new chapter in human history; much like the flood of bibilical times, the bad will be seperated from the good, so that ultimate evil will not have domininion, or be able to spread itself to other planets.

[geologyrox]

I've always been interested in the writings of the people who saw the end-times events way back in the dark and middle ages .

I think there stands a good chance that if you step back from the supernatural of it, some of the apocolypic warnings and signs are actually lessons about what sorts of power structures can be dangerous, about what sorts of tragedies can come about due to greed and stupidity.

[g0pher]

Originally Posted by HighGrowMan

That said, the famines that were prophesied in the bible have not yet occured, they will occur after a one world government has been estabilished.

I Believe - my brother, that you will be waiting for ever for this, or at least for a good long while.
Prophecy follows random patterns of chance, this is the sceptic's view

It is widely open to interpretation, let's consider the prophecies of Jesus, He said things in just the right way that either event could come true in any lifetime, he was intelligent enough to say just the right thing for it to fall in the catorgary of open probability, think about it man, wars will always be there, famines wll always be there, which one of these do you fulfill his prophecies to? or do you just wait until it eventually satisfies your own personal beliefs of conformity.

Prophecy is written well, and the words leave just enough room for any year of any decade of any century. and its an even balance of view and beliefs to anyone convicted to follow any view.

[HighGrowMan]

The world is very dark in this day that we are living. If humanity does not change it's ways soon, there will be intervention, do not kid yourself, we are beginning to piss off the harmony of the universe.

[Liquidtruth]

Yeah, I do not think so. We may end up destroying ourselves, but I do not think we "disrupt the harmony of the Universe" until we actually get out into the universe. Damn, we have yet to leave our solar system.

[Liquidtruth]

Enjoy the read, it is rather long.

http://www.infidels.org/library/maga.../983front.html
[web]http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/tsr/1998/3/983front.html[/web]

http://www.infidels.org/library/maga.../1unpro96.html
[web]http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/tsr/1996/1/1unpro96.html[/web]

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode.../prophecy.html
[web]http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/prophecy.html[/web]

The Failure of Daniel's Prophecies

[MelT]

Excellent posting, I'd rep you for it if I could. The bible is a very murky document, full of spin. The idea of the Messiah was always someone who would deliver the hebrews from the roman oppressors - not someone who was a spiritual leader, but an activist and fighter.

Not many know that John the Baptist was a far bigger figure in Jesus time than Jesus ever was, and he was killed because of the size of his following and the power he was accumulating. Jesus was a late-comer who never made the same impact. If anyone fulfilled any prophecies it was JTB.

I'll post about the ressurection later, very interesting stuff.

MelT

[stoned_soldier]

Originally Posted by Liquidtruth

The Failure of Daniel's Prophecies

Weird, the author has the same name as I.

[g0pher]

Originally Posted by MelT

Excellent posting, I'd rep you for it if I could. The bible is a very murky document, full of spin. The idea of the Messiah was always someone who would deliver the hebrews from the roman oppressors - not someone who was a spiritual leader, but an activist and fighter.

Not many know that John the Baptist was a far bigger figure in Jesus time than Jesus ever was, and he was killed because of the size of his following and the power he was accumulating. Jesus was a late-comer who never made the same impact. If anyone fulfilled any prophecies it was JTB.

I'll post about the ressurection later, very interesting stuff.

MelT

It seems God planned it - and turned his back on the Jews- he blantantly lied in their face for their hope of a liberator - according to his promises. In Isaiah, the prophets wrote sweet promises of hope and liberation for the Jews.

Isa 54:9 ”Just as I swore in the time of Noah that I would never again let a flood cover the earth and destroy its life, so now I swear that I will never again pour out my anger on you. 10 For the mountains may depart and the hills disappear, but even then I will remain loyal to you. My covenant of blessing will never be broken,” says the LORD...
half a century later they get plundered by the Romans! wtf?

And the only prophecy significant enough to attribute to Jesus's coming was Daniel's prophecy of Weeks:

9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
9:26 And after threescore and two weeks Messiah shall be cut off...And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease... and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Jesus came specifically in the time he was prophecied to come and was even "cut off" in the middle of the week. ". but then ancient prophets like jeremiah and malachi were waay off the mark on the prophecies of Jesus! hence modern theologians' attempt to cover up this error in prophecy by hoping for a 'future' fulfillment of these predictions- which - in fact were supposed to be fulfilled long ago, thats why prophecy will always evolve, as long as there are theologians to cover up for for the Bible's inconsistancies.