Prophecy Come True...

[IGotTheCottons]

Originally posted by KraziHare
watch your mouth cottons, you should know by now that insults aren't allowed here, i'm too tired right now but i have plenty to say about this thread...

KraziHare... If you're referring to the little bicker between GLADIVS and myself, that has been resolved. We both recognized that we got a little out of hand, and apologies were made on both our parts. If you're referring to something else in this thread, then I'd like you to show me where I was out of line (I mean that sincerely... no attitude attached to that statement at all).

EDIT:

this cant be true becasue if you know your history than you would know the only reson world war 1 became a world war becasue the long tie of allience that were formed before that therefore was not casued by jesus or god becasue of the man made conections and so called a man casued war by mans will of revenge becasue austria-hungry killed the priminister of suburi which casued achain reaction of allienece to trigger

And if you read the prophecy, you would have seen that it doesn't say God will cause the war. It simply states that there will be one. If you don't believe me, go back and read it again.

[thccrystals]

I'd shit on these prophecies, but that'd be rude I guess. It's so f'in fake it's like A SLAP IN THE FACE! Please don't say I'm being rude, b/c I feel just as offended.

[IGotTheCottons]

Originally posted by thccrystals
I'd shit on these prophecies, but that'd be rude I guess. It's so f'in fake it's like A SLAP IN THE FACE! Please don't say I'm being rude, b/c I feel just as offended.

Um... why are you offended? No one made you read this ya know.

And If they're so wrong, would you mind sharing how they're fake?

[Mr Skinner]

Originally posted by IGotTheCottons
Can you tell me when WWII ended? I do believe it was before 1948 (wasn't it 47 in Europe?, or was it 45... I know it wasn't after 48 though.)

Actually, I've given this a bit thought recently and found it pretty disturbing. You seem to know a whole lot about the bible and christianity. Almost feels like you know the bible by heart. Still you are far from up to date on world history. Even one of the main events of the 20. century. Are you sure you got yer priorities straight?

[IGotTheCottons]

Originally posted by Mr Skinner
Actually, I've given this a bit thought recently and found it pretty disturbing. You seem to know a whole lot about the bible and christianity. Almost feels like you know the bible by heart. Still you are far from up to date on world history. Even one of the main events of the 20. century. Are you sure you got yer priorities straight?

I sometimes get dates mixed up. I knew one was 45 and the other was 47. I later realized that Europe ended in 45 and Japan ended in 47 (they dropped the A-Bomb on Hiroshima on what would end up becoming my b-day, so it helps me remember the date a little more).

I wouldn't consider myself "far from up to date on world history." I choose to try to remember the major events, and what happened and why... not the exact date they occured (although I'm working on remembering dates better).

And no, I don't know the Bible by heart. There are quite a few times when I have to look stuff up. But I do know more about it than the average person.

[stoned_soldier]

ok, if jesus was the son of god in the flesh, wouldn't it be so obvious to everyone when they saw him that he was the real deal? not even the jews believed his words. [an off-topic question to anyone who knows. i know at jesus' supposed trial before pilate he said about him being king "it is they who say that i am." did jesus say that he was king or son of god or anything related?]

anyways, back to my thingy. suppose jesus was the son of a god, it would be obvious, no? just his presence would give off some sort of "light" (not literally) about his nature and who he really was. it would be so obvious (lol, i'm running out of words here) that even non-believers would believe him even their free will would choose to believe because of the obviousness.. i mean a god can do that right? why would a god allow himself to be treated so unfairly (and don't say to open the gates of heaven cuz that says nothing to me)?

[Mr Skinner]

Originally posted by stoned_soldier
not even the jews believed his words.

They do. They regard him a prophet along with the other prophets. They just don't accept him being the son of god

[stoned_soldier]

i meant the jews at the time of jesus crucifiction.. they persecuted him and shit

[IGotTheCottons]

Originally posted by stoned_soldier
ok, if jesus was the son of god in the flesh, wouldn't it be so obvious to everyone when they saw him that he was the real deal? not even the jews believed his words. [an off-topic question to anyone who knows. i know at jesus' supposed trial before pilate he said about him being king "it is they who say that i am." did jesus say that he was king or son of god or anything related?]

anyways, back to my thingy. suppose jesus was the son of a god, it would be obvious, no? just his presence would give off some sort of "light" (not literally) about his nature and who he really was. it would be so obvious (lol, i'm running out of words here) that even non-believers would believe him even their free will would choose to believe because of the obviousness.. i mean a god can do that right? why would a god allow himself to be treated so unfairly (and don't say to open the gates of heaven cuz that says nothing to me)?

It was obvious. This is why He was crucified. The religious leaders of that time didn't like Jesus' message of faith over works. They were content to live by the law (they were extremely self-righteous, and Jesus preached just the opposite, so as you could imagine, they got angry). The common Jews for the most part accepted Jesus' message. They saw the miracles, they heard Him speak, and for the most part, they believed Him.

Even after the crucifixion (done, again, by the religious leaders) the church in Jerusalem was one of the biggest ever.

Since this time, though, there has been an overall rejection of Christ as the Messiah. This is one of the main reasons for the coming Tribulation Period (to judge the Jews for their rejection of the Messiah, and to judge the unbelieving world for their disbelief).

[stoned_soldier]

you didn't quite answer my question. if it was obvious to everyone who met him that he was god in the flesh why would they decide to kill him? surely no one would kill their own god. even the chief high priests would have known who he was, or no?

so were the high priests living in denial or was jesus just another prophet.. because surely a god would open the eyes of the masses to all who met it or heard its true word..

[IGotTheCottons]

Originally posted by stoned_soldier
you didn't quite answer my question. if it was obvious to everyone who met him that he was god in the flesh why would they decide to kill him? surely no one would kill their own god. even the chief high priests would have known who he was, or no?

so were the high priests living in denial or was jesus just another prophet.. because surely a god would open the eyes of the masses to all who met it or heard its true word..

I had this huge thing typed out that I was going to post in response to this, but I just threw it all away... I remembered some better verses that will better answer your questions...

Jesus out-right told the Jews that He was the Son of God...

"And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. As he spake these words, many believed on him. Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commiteth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not int he house for ever: but the Son abideth ever, If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free ineed. I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,a nd abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God... Jesus answered; If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by." John 8: 23-47, 54-59

There were people who believed him, and there were people who didn't. His preaching, teaching, and miracles convinced a lot of people. He then backed it up by telling them that he and his father are one, and that if they believe on Him they will not see death. They had been waiting for the Messiah for a long time, and a good amount of people recognized that Jesus was that Messiah. The Jews were expecting to see the Messiah come to set up His earthly kingdom though... not die the most painful, brutal, humiliating death ever. They were expecting a different kind of redemption, but the only price that could reconcile us back to God was a perfect blood sacrifice. Jesus literally took the sin of the world and paid the price for it. This was prophecied over and over again throughout the Old Testament. The high priests just were too blind to see that it was the blood of Christ, not their good works. They were so proudful, self-righteous, and arrogant, that they were blinded to the truth, and when it was finally taught by Christ, it angered them to the point where they eventually killed Him.

[Mr_Criminal]

lol at people sayin "this is boring". what did you expect when you came in here, a jet li kung fu movie?..
i dunno if this is petty or not, but, this stuck in my mind while readin the whole thing..
you said "We can tell that they must happen together because it says "all these are the beginning of sorrows."...
We already covered the 4-fold prophecy given in Matthew 24, so I won't go into too much detail about that, but basically all the things given in Matthew 24:7 must happen together...
do you really think it's a coincidence that scripture said that these things would all be happening at the same time, AND that they'd be a sign that the end was near?"
it doesn't REALLY say "this all happens around the same time". just that they're all signs of the same thing. just wanted to point that out cause it seems presumptuous to say "this really means this" when lookin at things like this..
damn cottons, you think about this stuff a lot, huh..? i'll never understand why people wrack their brains over this stuff. whatever happens happens. and if god would sentence me to hell for that attitude, i don't wanna be around em anyway.
i'ma go read that pot in the bible thread.

[JaneInMyBrain]

Well id have to say whether the prophecies thing is true or not im facinated by how much you know about the bible Cottons.

Personally i dont beleive ne of this. I think the world will end one day by being hit by a comit or something then everyone will just be dead but thats my opinion. And i think its perfectly fine for you to believe in what you believe. When i was younger i used to believe all of this stuff but i kinda grew up and stopped believing you know like when i stopped believing in santa and all....

Not to mention all the prophecies others have made and shit and they never came true. And also i bet even i could make up some prophecy and at some point in time it would come true. I mean there could be thousands of thousands of years left for earth and the chances of something that i say coming true if they consist of like earthquakes, and famine, and war (things that happen all the time) even if somewhat specific are prolly pretty good chance at coming true like i said at some point in time.

I dont think that made much sense.. but ya. Im not arguing with neone or saying im right, just saying my opinion.

[IGotTheCottons]

This is going to be pretty long... Sorry, I haven't been around for a while, so I've got a lot to say.

Originally Posted by da420

I still dont think you fully answered stoned_soldiers question cotton. I believe what i believe I read everything and still don't believe in a god or that these prophecies are true. I am undecided if there is a maker(just not an almighty one). All these prophecies have been made before, its not hard to say that there will be war and hard time, etc, i mean its a given its expected. There are many books that have prophecies that have come true, so why not believe the word in the other books, why is the bible the only thing you believe, i mean come on its a book, not written by god it was written by man, whos stories were handed down thousand\s of years, then translated, then interpeted. lots have stuff has been scewed and lost in all this. shit if someone told me they saw a burning talking bush i would laugh then ask them if they ate some moldy rye bread...

wtf you think weed is gonna send you to hell or what? didnt god want us to use all the herb of the earth as said in Genesis?

Ok, to answer Stoned_Soldier's question a little better... Jesus actually called himself the Jehovah of the Old Testament. This is why the Jews wanted to kill him. They thought he was speaking blasphemy. However, they didn't recall the prophecies about how he'd heal the sick, and die for our sins... They were expecting Jesus to set up his kingdom on earth when He came... not heal the sick, raise the dead, teach that the leaders were hypocrites, and that salvation came by faith, not works. Below are some of the verses that show Jesus claimed to be the Jehovah from the Old Testament.

John 8:58, 59 says: "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Bewfore Abraham was, I am. Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by."

Compare this with Exodus 3:14, which says: "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

Jesus was claiming to be the I AM of the Old Testament. This is why the Jews wanted to stone him... He was claiming to be God.

A couple more verses where Jesus claims to be the I am:

Revelation 1:17, 18 says: "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for ever more, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

And John 18:6: "As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground."

This is when they were arresting Jesus in the garden of Gethsemany (sp?). When he said "I am he" those who were taking him captive fell to the ground... Why would they do this unless he were claiming to be Jehovah?

John 17:5 says: "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

Compare this with Isaiah 42:8, which says: "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images."

If Jehovah will not share his glory with another, then why does Jesus say "glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

John 10:11 says: "I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep."

Compare with Psalms 23:1, which says: "The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want."

Self explanitory.

John 5:27 says: "And hath given authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man." (Referring to Jesus).

Compare with Joel 3:12, which says: "Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about."

If Jesus was given the authority to judge, and Jehovah of the Old Testament says that he is the one who will Judge the heathen, this shows they are one and the same.

John 8:12 says: "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

Compare with Psalms 27:1, which says: "The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?"

Jesus claims to be the light of the world, in the OT, Jehovah is known as the light of the world.

Also, Jesus claims to be the Son of God... You have to understand the Jewish culture a little to find out that this doesn't mean Jesus was inferior to God. It rather shows that Jesus was claiming equality with God. A couple of verses...

John 5:25 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live."

John 3:16 - "For God so lived the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

I know you've all heard Jn 3:16 quoted, but do you ever stop to think that it's being said by Jesus, and He's calling himself God's only begotten (or born) Son?

So does that answer Stoned_Soldier's question better? He asked me why Jesus didn't just outright tell people He was God... well... He did.

Now, on to the next part of your post... about stuff supposedly being lost over time... When scripture was copied back in ancient times, it was recognized as scripture. These originals were copied word for word, letter for letter, but the Jewish scribes. They believed the scriptures so Holy that they had special pens, and rituals just for when they'd copy the name Jehovah. This wasn't some fairy tale that people just told eachother. The events were eye-witnessed, written down, and copied word for word so others could know about them. It's hard to argue this to someone who doesn't believe the Bible to be the word of God, so I'm not really going to go into it... But one example of not having an original, but yet knowing every word that was on it would be the Emancipation Proclemation. The original was destroyed in the Chicago fire, but we still know every letter, of every word, that was in that entire document. Why? Because copies were made.

Why is the Bible the only book I believe? Because it was written over a span of 1,600 years, on 3 continents, and by 40 different people, but yet it doesn't contradict itself a single time. Also, it has SPECIFIC prophecy that has come true. Jesus' birth and life alone fulfilled over 100 prophecies made in the Old Testament... the youngest of which was made about 400 years before Jesus' birth (many of them being much, much older though). When most people see evidence like that, it's kind of hard not to believe... Unless they're just wilfully blind and don't want to hear the truth.

There are many books that have prophecies that have come true

Really? Show me...

And also i bet even i could make up some prophecy and at some point in time it would come true. I mean there could be thousands of thousands of years left for earth and the chances of something that i say comi