Why Evolution Is Wrong

[Liquidtruth]

Why are you still hammering away at this? A keyboard is a keyboard is a keyboard. It is quite simple to grasp that and understand it. And if the keyboard was an apple, it really doesn't change anything because its purpose and function remain the same. And even if a new function is discovered years later, that has no bearing on changing what it was, just adding to what it is.

Over Analyzing is not always a bad thing, and is sometimes very necessary... Especially when it helps you answer questions and uncover something new. When you sit there and run around in circles, you don't get anywhere except back where you started and it is time to consider some new theories or ideas so you can move forward.

Believe me, I know where you are coming from. I think in a similar way. But you're taking it to the absolute extreme... With nothing to believe it, there is nothing to believe and nothing to know. At that point, what the hell is the point? You're not answering anything, you're not uncovering any truth. You're simply sitting there saying "nothing is real, everything is false, can't believe anything because this or that could be correct instead so I'll just sit here and wonder about everything". Sometimes, you need to take a stand and say "I believe this is the way it is" while still allowing yourself to have an open mind to accept some new revelation.

At any rate, I'm tired of going back and forth and discussing the same point over and over again. I'll be happy to join in any discussion or debate that actually progresses... Spending days debating that 1+1 can't = 2, isn't my idea of fun.

[UniXelation]

Alright that makes it a lot easier what you just said, so I dont have to keep trying to explain.

I would say you're coming from a plain of human understanding, while I am trying to explain from an understanding as complex as it can possibly get. When it comes to issues like evolution, god, the afterlife, this is usually when it comes out of me.

Originally Posted by Liquidtruth

Sometimes, you need to take a stand and say "I believe this is the way it is"

That's absolutely correct. If you want to live a regular human life then you're going to have to assume things without actually knowing, and not even have the thought of "why" in your head.

I'm glad you and dazed and confused have kept it up for so long, as every day of it I am getting closer to the achievement of one ultimate belief, or atleast it feels like it.

[Maitereya]

im disgusted theres 43 pages on this.



we came from aliens.

evolution and creationism are both wrong, im right. if you want the right opinion come to me.

[sarhou]

Originally Posted by UniXelation

I dont think you are thinking on a grand enough level here, only thinking on what you can see, taste, touch, smell, hear, your senses.

Let's say you have 4 video cameras looking at something from different angles. That is your reality. Well what happens if there is actually more too it, many more cameras? What happens when you turn them on, exposing more, and everything you thought you knew about it was wrong, incomplete, and made what you knew before false.

^^Even after that, there's still the possibility of more "video cameras" that would add to what you already know, and that could possibily go in forever, you just dont know one way or the other.

if god doesn't give us access to the cameras, how is he justified in condemning us to an eternity of damnation? the bible even says god got tired of eternity in his own heaven, and that's why he created humans and earth. a logical absolute power in control of this universe and all eternity is self contradictory in itself, because i live in reality. if you want some grand purpose to come of your life, you're an idiot. people can't accept the fact that we're not eternally special, just smarter, and there's a huge difference. my family lived off of donations to my dad's ministry from the time i was 8, and i've been in many situations that make people believers, but it's simply all bullshit. now that i look back on things that made me believe, i see how things add up, and this universe is has many chaotic coincidences, but i'd rather believe in the myster of that than in some thinking-god-creature with emotions who has obviously fucked things up.

you also asked who created aliens if aliens created us, and i'd just like to say that we have no evidence that evolution could or could not occur at a phenominal rate on other planets, because our earth's atmosphere, climate, and many other things have alot to do with how we age. so, in answer to that, aliens evolved and created us. and also, you should think more outside the box. if there are possibly 50 deminsions, why can't there be a planet that evolved really fast? again, at least aliens are still fallable and i don't have to sacrifice my life, morals, and self awareness to believe in a perfect purpose. now go watch your disney flick about your girlfriend who used to be a mermaid until magic found her.

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[thccrystals]

contrary to this threads title, evolution is indeed correct.

[Alphå]

Evolution doesnt really work in humans like it does in animals.. For the most part, we help our sick, we try to stress equality for everyone... We look to cure diseases instead of let people who have natural immunity become dominant in teh species...

Evolution ftw

[JackTheFox]

Can't argue with fact huh?

Well, it's interesting then to realise that evolution isn't a theory, it's a scientific fact. Read up a bit more.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

I might remind you that evolution has been tested and proven in much the same ways as your magnetic field and your flood- using the same scientific method with the same scientists. It wasn't a calculated blow at religion. Charles Dawin was a catholic who spent time in the priesthood, not a heretic, and neither are you for admitting that tall people have tall children and short people have short children and when there are more short people ther'll be more short children and vice versa. That's all evolution is.

As for the age of the earth, whether there's a flood, or whether god exists, I really don't see what evolution has to do with any of that.

So accept evolution. It's your friend. Like the earth orbiting the sun. Evolution is a good thing, and there's a good chance God is the one who gave it to you so you should be more greatful.

-Gino C.

[MrLanky]

Ok so I saw this thread I wanted to post something but I didnt want to read 43 pages, so excuse me if any of this has already been said before.

#1
In no way does the second law of thermodynamics prevent evolution. This is mearly an excuse that por-creation people use. In reality the second law of thermodynamics says that the entropy (chaos) of a system can only increase over time. This means that the universe as a whole must become more chaotic, but things in it can become more organized so long as more of it becomes disorganized. The amount of particles that sun emits every day more the compensates for the evolution of man.

#2
There is a theory called the dynamo theory that explains why the Earth did not have a massive magnetic field, and why we will always have a magnetic field. It very complicated but basically states the very hot rotating metal, such as Earth's core, can regenerate magnetic fields.

#3
This is true almost fossils can usually only be found where there was a flood or volcanic explosion or something that would cover the animal and allow for fossilization to occur, instead of decomposition. This is why fossils are very rare, because somthing had to happen to prevent decomposition. If this wasn't required then you would find fossils everywhere if you dug deep enough, likewise they probably wouldn't be in museums if they were this common.

This has probably been said before but there it is again
This is fact.
There is no arguement which can be made to even remotely disprove evolution.

[FuzzyNugget]

Existance is just the mirror's edge of a full-scale nitrous trip. I don't really know what that means, I'll have to do another balloon. Maybe life progresses because it's just the next logical step. How long do you have to leave a monkey alone in the jungle before he learns to masturbate?

[Zylark]

OMG, who dredged up this old thread. Well, we do know, it was a rhetorical question.

Anyhow, anyone wanting to do the creation/evolution debate again, make a new thread. That way we won't have to reference posts made 3 years ago.

I'm all for it, go ahead

Afterall there is quite the number of nice actual evidence that have been discovered since last time this subject got any serious treatment in here. Not to mention the Dover trial. I could continue, but I'll save it to an actual new debate sparking. Kicking a dead horse is not as fun as riding a live one

[Mr.GoodStuff]

Originally Posted by IGotTheCottons

Reason #1:

Evolution goes against the second LAW of thermodynamics. Evolution also goes against the second LAW of thermodynamics by saying the universe is moving towards a more complex state. How can this be when everything that's left to itself in a closed system (which, by definition, the universe is) moves towards higher degrees of entropy and disorder?

This proof is founded on entropy moving towards disorder; which it very easily can be seen as moving towards order by the same logic.

If everything is collapsing back into a completely homogeneous state (everything in equalibrium)... How can that be seen just as disorder? I see a solution as having a lot more order than a mixture.

I can see how it can be viewed as disorder if you consider order as being a glass of ice water and disorder as the water becoming room temperature- but proof is never something inconclusive. It is never something that can be viewed in different ways.

So in this sense both theories hold true for both parties because neither disproves the other. This is why neither have been made laws yet.

[Zylark]

Go back some 30-40 pages, and you will see the 2nd LoT argument shot down by yours truly. As I've said. Start up a new thread, as it can get really long-winded looking up old arguments in this thread.

Besides, seeing as the thread is so old, it is kinda' unfair to hold all debaters to claims made a long, long time ago. Remember, it is entirely within anyones right to change their mind as time pass.

Start afresh if you wish to debate this. That way, all arguments will be updated to current positions anyone might hold.

[Mr.GoodStuff]

Totally missed how old this was...


I'm happy that someone proved that point when it counted. I really don't see entropy as chaos- it could easily be seen as everything going back to how it was originally, which would completely change the way it's viewed.

If entropy is causing us to revert back to equalibrium no matter what, you could say that reality is the disorder and chaos because what we are observing currently it's not it's natural or original state.

You could say that evolution is the act of the energy becoming more the way it was originally- perfect and in total equalibrium.

[Digit]

http://jahtruth.net/evolut.htm

^ that been posted in this tired old thread yet?

[Rasta_Man]

Originally Posted by Digit

http://jahtruth.net/evolut.htm

^ that been posted in this tired old thread yet?

The site is the biggest load of bullshit I've seen since Livingalife told me that "AIDS is overrated"

Come on, Digit, I expect something at least half-coherent from you.