Fate or choices?

mashcat · #1 (**permalink**) 02-20-2004, 01:29 PM

Fortune tellers can supposedly tell your future,so does that mean you have no choice in what happens in your life?I have had crap happen in my life like alot of people but was it our stupid choices or were we meant to have bad experiences?Are we part of gods plan and we are the sufferers who will have enough anger inside us to wipe out all evil?

thccrystals · #2 (**permalink**) 02-20-2004, 09:31 PM

ahhhh... the old free will vs. determinism.

To quote Rush, "I will choose free will."

ShelMikedMu · #3 (**permalink**) 02-20-2004, 09:48 PM

I think free will is something you can choose after the decisions were made by the almighty. the almighty one chooses our way and then we can do it or not. Believeing in fortunes is one way to make your path. I believe in tarot and ouiji and black magic.

mashcat · #4 (**permalink**) 02-20-2004, 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by ShelMikedMu
I think free will is something you can choose after the decisions were made by the almighty. the almighty one chooses our way and then we can do it or not. Believeing in fortunes is one way to make your path. I believe in tarot and ouiji and black magic.

You don't have free will though if the decision has already been made.I think no matter which path you choose it's already laid out anyway.We are all part of a master plan.

adamBC · #5 (**permalink**) 02-22-2004, 12:09 AM

well ive always seen as sort of both....

i mean, you are you. you will do what you do. so although you have many choices to make through your life, you will always choose the ways that YOU want to go. so although you get to go where you want, its sort of already decided in your head.

you already have all your answers, you just dont know the questions yet. therefore, life is like a big game of jeopardy.

MrBubbles · #6 (**permalink**) 02-22-2004, 03:41 AM

that jeopardy anology was fuckin bad man... good point.

i dont really know whether i believe in fate or free will. i just live.

galvingirl · #7 (**permalink**) 02-22-2004, 04:02 AM

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Originally posted by adamBC
well ive always seen as sort of both....

i mean, you are you. you will do what you do. so although you have many choices to make through your life, you will always choose the ways that YOU want to go. so although you get to go where you want, its sort of already decided in your head.

you already have all your answers, you just dont know the questions yet. therefore, life is like a big game of jeopardy.

thats exactly what i think too

InsiderGrower · #8 (**permalink**) 02-22-2004, 04:45 AM

i think the future does not really "exist", the future is merely the effects of the present, whatever we do in the presence will determine what happens in the future. I also believe in our free will to do whatever we want to do in the present, so by doing in the present we set the causes for the effects to occur at the time the future becomes the now

sensimil · #9 (**permalink**) 02-22-2004, 06:26 AM

theres no plan. if there is its my own, and its basically to survive

happily

and as for the saying which I think applies here..everything happens for a reason, of course it does, we as humans have the ability to justify the means that make it seem so. does everything happen for a reason?

thccrystals · #10 (**permalink**) 02-22-2004, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by sensimil
theres no plan.

Of course there isn't.

To try and prove it:

everyone pick up one item on your desk right now. Make sure it's the item YOU want to pick up and is not predetermined by ANYTHING. There ya go; Free Will.

Mr Skinner · #11 (**permalink**) 02-22-2004, 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by thccrystals
Of course there isn't.

To try and prove it:

everyone pick up one item on your desk right now. Make sure it's the item YOU want to pick up and is not predetermined by ANYTHING. There ya go; Free Will.

Haha, the sceptic here would say that this still was fate controlling the "choice" you made.

My major problem with fate is that it would be too easy. You could blame anything on fate...

"Well, sorry, officer, it wasn't me shooting that guy. It was fate"

And think how depressing it would be to know that you don't really have free will and the power to influence yer own life.

No, I don't think fate exists at all. There's too many varyables

mashcat · #12 (**permalink**) 02-23-2004, 08:35 AM

So the conclusion is that I am my own worst enemy when it comes to personal choices.I still think fate exsists because there are still things that happen which you have no control over like miscarriage,some cancers,disabilities.It's alot easier to blame fate then take responsibility yourself,there's always blame.

Did you know its possible to drive a normal person mentally insane?Also you could make someone kill somebody else and to me that means they were just a weapon,a bit like soldiers,terroists and maybe abused people they all have to kill for what they think is freedom.

Turelim · #13 (**permalink**) 02-24-2004, 09:43 PM

it really all depends on what aspect ur lookin at it from.

socially.... its a mix. i have the choice to go kill someone, and i have the choice not too. but at that point, they dont have the choice to live or die.

scientifically... no. theoretically, if you know the position and velocity (which is possible becuase of the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle, but is you COULD) then you could calculate the position and velocity of any particle at any given time. with that, it was calculatable that i would be sitting here typing about this. Fate, as it were. this is, of course, if ur using Newtonian Physics and ignoring everything we know about M-theory, more specifically black holes.

BudFanatic · #14 (**permalink**) 02-24-2004, 10:03 PM

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Originally posted by ShelMikedMu
I think free will is something you can choose after the decisions were made by the almighty. the almighty one chooses our way and then we can do it or not. Believeing in fortunes is one way to make your path. I believe in tarot and ouiji and black magic.

Black magic has serious repercussions, you know. If you've heard the monkey paw story, you'll have a general idea of what I mean. However, it also depends on how it is used. There are definitely worse real stories about it, but karma always has a way of biting you in the ass for messing with things that should or should not be. Don't bend the world around you to make it better; the true changes come from within, and spread outwards!

As far as fate, or even destiny; yes, we are all going to die someday, but we all have something to do first! We have a set path in life, we can either take the easy route or go out of the way to find our true destiny. That involves taking calculated risks which lead to a greater good, and I believe that too many people ignore this path and the dreams they have set! Your dreams: your true goals, I believe; are your destiny...once started on this road it will lead to one thing, everything else that happens merely happens as a result of it.

If you choose to ignore this path, that is a choice. You also have the choice to do nothing with your life and do nothing to affect or help others. Choices are closely entwined with fate, but only the person walking the path truly chooses what fate they end up with. Your fate is also determined by your choices, but it can also affect you reaching your final goal in life; your destiny...

And that's all, folks!

BudFanatic · #15 (**permalink**) 02-24-2004, 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by mashcat
So the conclusion is that I am my own worst enemy when it comes to personal choices.I still think fate exsists because there are still things that happen which you have no control over like miscarriage,some cancers,disabilities.It's alot easier to blame fate then take responsibility yourself,there's always blame.

Did you know its possible to drive a normal person mentally insane?Also you could make someone kill somebody else and to me that means they were just a weapon,a bit like soldiers,terroists and maybe abused people they all have to kill for what they think is freedom.

Yes, but some of the choices we make also determine our fate...like if you end up with lung cancer from cigarettes: that was your choice to smoke them, and your fate is altered through this. Whereas if you made another choice, you might have possibly died sooner from it in retrospect.

As far as driving a "normal" person insane? Oh yes, it's quite possible. Once a person begins to question every point of every single aspect of their life, couples it with paranoia and anxiety from this, then starts to get angry about something, there is a good possiblity they can snap and all of the stored up emotions pull them in instead of just shutting down, and they become absorbed in them; "their own world." I also believe that not many people are normal, and there is no set standard for "normal", as even many very smart and successful people are eccentric and many others have personality disorders that make them more succeptable to this.

Fate doesn't make your choices; your fate is made BY your choices.

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#1 (permalink) 02-20-2004, 01:29 PM
mashcat Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: In my body Posts: 180	Fate or choices? Fortune tellers can supposedly tell your future,so does that mean you have no choice in what happens in your life?I have had crap happen in my life like alot of people but was it our stupid choices or were we meant to have bad experiences?Are we part of gods plan and we are the sufferers who will have enough anger inside us to wipe out all evil?

#2 (permalink) 02-20-2004, 09:31 PM
thccrystals legal eyes Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 3,530	ahhhh... the old free will vs. determinism. To quote Rush, "I will choose free will." __________________ When I need relief I spell it THC. Perhaps you may know vaguely what I mean. I sit back and smoke away huge chunks of memory As I slowly inflict upon myself a full lobotomy.

#3 (permalink) 02-20-2004, 09:48 PM
ShelMikedMu tribal unit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: tribal Posts: 178	I think free will is something you can choose after the decisions were made by the almighty. the almighty one chooses our way and then we can do it or not. Believeing in fortunes is one way to make your path. I believe in tarot and ouiji and black magic.

#5 (permalink) 02-22-2004, 12:09 AM
adamBC Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: BC (bud country) Posts: 3,981	well ive always seen as sort of both.... i mean, you are you. you will do what you do. so although you have many choices to make through your life, you will always choose the ways that YOU want to go. so although you get to go where you want, its sort of already decided in your head. you already have all your answers, you just dont know the questions yet. therefore, life is like a big game of jeopardy. __________________ i've never had a dream in my life, because a dreams something you wanted, but still haven't pursued. i knew what i wanted, and did it till it was done, so i've been living the dream i wanted to be since day ONE.

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MrBubbles Founder of Wompusism Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: White Salmon Posts: 1,080	that jeopardy anology was fuckin bad man... good point. i dont really know whether i believe in fate or free will. i just live. __________________ The utensils (pipes bongs ect.)that've made my days better are: Trogdor The Burninator, Mushroomhead, Mr. Bubbles, Little Budah, Buster, The Big Red Something, The Jolly Green Giant, The Jolly Blue Giant (Pepsi Green), Tiger, Lavos, and my baby named "Helen Hunt". Try to break my record long piss of 3 minutes 10 seconds if you dare! Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself. -George Bernard Shaw

#8 (permalink) 02-22-2004, 04:45 AM
InsiderGrower Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 24	i think the future does not really "exist", the future is merely the effects of the present, whatever we do in the presence will determine what happens in the future. I also believe in our free will to do whatever we want to do in the present, so by doing in the present we set the causes for the effects to occur at the time the future becomes the now __________________ "may all beings be happy, may all beings be blessed"

#9 (permalink) 02-22-2004, 06:26 AM
sensimil Visit the World! Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: 2,941 miles from the Jersey Shore Posts: 7,521	theres no plan. if there is its my own, and its basically to survive happily and as for the saying which I think applies here..everything happens for a reason, of course it does, we as humans have the ability to justify the means that make it seem so. does everything happen for a reason? __________________

#13 (permalink) 02-24-2004, 09:43 PM
Turelim Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The 9th Circle Posts: 411	it really all depends on what aspect ur lookin at it from. socially.... its a mix. i have the choice to go kill someone, and i have the choice not too. but at that point, they dont have the choice to live or die. scientifically... no. theoretically, if you know the position and velocity (which is possible becuase of the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle, but is you COULD) then you could calculate the position and velocity of any particle at any given time. with that, it was calculatable that i would be sitting here typing about this. Fate, as it were. this is, of course, if ur using Newtonian Physics and ignoring everything we know about M-theory, more specifically black holes.

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