beef with god

[j0nes1n]

i know alot of you guys on here are atheist, and i'm curious to know how it became that way. i know your answer will be "because god has never proved himself to exist"

so is it because when you used to pray god never talked back to you or helped you with what you needed help with? i know thats the reason i origionally turned off from god, and for a long time i thought to myself "god hates me" because i was constantly being shit on in life. how about the rest of you

you really cant say you never believed in god, cuz at one point for most as children we believe in santa clause and magic n all that happy shit, and believed there was a powerful man who controlled the lives of all.

[amsterdamage]

I believe God exists, I just don't believe what religions say about God.


The first thing I don't believe is that it's part of God's job description to take care of what happens in our daily lives, so all the praying for better grades, new bf's/gf's, new jobs, cures from illnesses etc etc may help sooth the prayee but are not heard by or acted on by anyone or anything. It's our job to look after those things, not God's.

If that sounds a bit out there then consider if the opposite were true. That'd mean every baby born disfigured is because God wanted them born that way, every good person killed in a hurricane or car accident or random shooting is because God wanted it to happen, and every single person killed by the nazis in Auschwitz died because God wanted them killed in that manner. I totally and utterly don't believe that that is true.

[The happy Spore]

Originally Posted by j0nes1n

i know alot of you guys on here are atheist, and i'm curious to know how it became that way. i know your answer will be "because god has never proved himself to exist"

so is it because when you used to pray god never talked back to you or helped you with what you needed help with? i know thats the reason i origionally turned off from god, and for a long time i thought to myself "god hates me" because i was constantly being shit on in life. how about the rest of you

you really cant say you never believed in god, cuz at one point for most as children we believe in santa clause and magic n all that happy shit, and believed there was a powerful man who controlled the lives of all.

I believe in god but don't practice a religion, like i always say i don't think a being such as Christ would want anything to do with a being like me.

I have a few questions for you and all others with the satanic symbolism,,,,,,When and why did/do you believe in Satan? If you don't worship Satan then why all the symbols?
And if you worship Satan does that not mean that you also believe in God? can Satan exist without God? Can God exist without Satan?

[Kush Lord]

I can't just say I believe in god for the fuck of it, if im going to believe in something I need to know what i'm believing in, otherwise it makes no sense.

[The happy Spore]

Originally Posted by Kush Lord

I can't just say I believe in god for the fuck of it, if im going to believe in something I need to know what i'm believing in, otherwise it makes no sense.

True, The real problem lies with people believing in anything without reason, like the cradle Christian who have no idea why they believe other than that they were told to believe.

I myself have my own reasons for believing but can't imagine being forgiven for some of my sins, i mean if i cant forgive my self, how can i expect god to forgive me.

[TokersAnonymous]

Originally Posted by The happy Spore

True, The real problem lies with people believing in anything without reason, like the cradle Christian who have no idea why they believe other than that they were told to believe.

I myself have my own reasons for believing but can't imagine being forgiven for some of my sins, i mean if i cant forgive my self, how can i expect god to forgive me.

I understand what you're saying in the 1st part. The physical world is very strong. Christians call it faith (I am one of them), believing in something you don't fully know is true.

On your 2nd part, God sent Jesus to die for your sins, they are already forgiven. All ya gotta do is ask Him, and they are forgiven.

To the OP, I would say God works in mysterious ways, one may not receive an answer right away, answer how you'd like Him to, or at all.

[Kush Lord]

Originally Posted by The happy Spore

True, The real problem lies with people believing in anything without reason, like the cradle Christian who have no idea why they believe other than that they were told to believe.

I myself have my own reasons for believing but can't imagine being forgiven for some of my sins, i mean if i cant forgive my self, how can i expect god to forgive me.

You dont need forgiveness, you simply just change for the better. Feeling like a "sinner" all the time is no way to live life, and the biblical god makes people feel like nothing but sinners. We are free and fine just the way we are.

[chronicman00]

Im undecided but when I was in some deep shit with the police about 3 times I prayed my ass off and each time I got off the hook completely. Probably a coincidence but after a couple times its kinda gets to me and I wonder if hes really there.

[The happy Spore]

Originally Posted by chronicman00

Im undecided but when I was in some deep shit with the police about 3 times I prayed my ass off and each time I got off the hook completely. Probably a coincidence but after a couple times its kinda gets to me and I wonder if hes really there.

Exactly!

[VolcanoToke]

For a long time I was Atheist not because I was not spiritual but because the farce of organized religion just did not appeal to me, for me the fact that there can be more than one religion is disproof enough that none of them are absolutely correct.

I believe that most modern religions are just different metaphors for the ancient practice of worshiping the cosmos, our sun, earth, the movement of the stars etc...

I've never thought that religion was bad and anything that can help a person live their life with good intent peace and love is fine by me because I believe that in this stage of life (human form, or 3rd density etc...) our mission is just to live life as we see fit as gods greatest gift to us was our free will, we are all perfect in our own way and just taking different paths to the same destination of enlightenment.

Remember that all religion was written by man, no matter how convincing the story was on how the information came from god.

But we should NEVER!!! devote ourselves to another man or a church, only ourselves, with blind devotion you get things like the crusades happening.

I think that if you have lived your life full of hate and anger when you die you are re-incarnated in another human form (after judging your own actions) to make another attempt to learn the true value of human life which to me is that we are all brothers and sisters regardless of race creed etc... and when faced with negativity you must meet it with forgiveness and understanding.

This is how you have people that can remember past lives most of whom don't bother ever telling anyone as they will be though of as crazy when in fact they are incredibly gifted to retain the wisdom gained from past lives in this form.

The higher power that created all that is does not interfere with our lives because the hardships we face are just lessons to help us better understand what is important in life and a teacher who is always doing your homework for you might be really cool but you will never learn anything.

We have all been conditioned for so long that we are all just the meat sacks we are and have one shot at this thing called life so we must fill it with distraction activity and wealth (this is an illusion meant to slow our spiritual growth something that can only happen when you are at peace and not distracted, notice how in this day and age we always have to be texting, watching tv, movies, listening to music etc... hardly any of us take even a moment let alone a couple of hours to be alone with our own thoughts. And I won't even bother getting into who I believe is doing it and why) when in reality we are still celestial infants in the grand scheme of things.

I believe that the concept of hell is an insult to us in that it suggests that we will only live good and loving lives out of fear of hell, and fear is not an emotion that should be encouraged to feel (along with hate as one breeds the other) especially from our "God"

It's kind of all over the place but I hope someone can appreciate it at least as a different take on things.

Just my thoughts on the matter I pray you all know peace and love in your life.

[Hedberg]

Religion never made much sense to me, or at least I just never wanted to get into it. Even going to a Jewish day school from K to 6th grade and learning a whole lot of religious shit and praying with the rest of the school twice a week, I just never saw a point.

Maybe there is a god, and maybe there isn't. I just don't care. To think that our time as humans spent on this earth is so important to some supreme being that we must pray and live our lives in the fear of not wanting to go to hell seems rediculous to me.

[bkenji666]

Anyone who creates someone in his "own image" is what i really have a problem with.

For example he must question himself. and at that point why would he question himself if he was the all-knowing all-doing.

He doesnt speak to us because we'd never understand it or believe it.

Plus if he created me out of his "image" he must hate himself and he definately has some self-esteem issues.

[sikander]

My parents never bothered to try and imbue me with any religion. I believed in God in a general way until I was like, 15, and then I read Michael Shermer's Why People Believe Weird Things, which is basically a book promoting the skeptical/scientific worldview in terms a layman can understand. Shermer wrote at length about agnosticism and how empirically proving or disproving God is impossible, and so I was agnostic for a while. Then, a couple years ago, I read Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion and he pushed me over the edge. Dawkins seems to take a perverse pleasure in mocking people's beliefs but he made some pretty good arguments.

So now I'm an atheist.

[notbakedenough]

Science tends to make more sense. And as with others, I was not indoctrinated from birth.

Atheism just fits in more logically with the universe.

[UniversalLaw44]

With me it's kinda different,I don't necessarily have a beef with GOD I just see him as too high to reach,sorta like a Hierarchy.If you wanna learn something you have to go thru the lower Deities like Gaia..