expelled:no intelligence allowed

[pavlakos]

i thought we were talking about the movie? i bring up the origin of life because ID trys to say 'a creator' made life, and the movie is made by creationists and is trying to push a creationist/ID point on people and get it taught in schools.
but that we can agree on, lets all smile and be happy (regardless of what we really feel,jk)

[Zylark]

Originally Posted by pavlakos

i thought we were talking about the movie?

In a sense. That you in your previous post had a good lot of fun repeating creationist misinformed and long since discredited canards, such as evolution explaining origin of life. The familiar "lighning in mud" inanity. And I quote:

Originally Posted by pavlakos

and while the 'god did it' answer tells us how life came to be, evolution does not...unless it really was mud being struck by lightning, which i highly doubt.

You keep your strawmen company, they might come in handy. In the meantime, refusing to understand what I write seems to do good for you. At least, you do not waver from your dogma.

[pavlakos]

zylark, alas...you are either too high or a complete idiot. i used that phrase because it is used in the movie, and once again, i thought we were talking about the movie?

[Zylark]

For future reference: When you quote something, you either use quotation marks, like "this", or quotation tags, like

this

That way, we know when you utter your own thoughts or someone elses. Not that they may not overlap, but the distinction can be important

But you keep calling me a complete idiot. I am sure it will help in our further dialogue. As a pure rethorical advice however, I would suggest keeping namecalling to a very bare minimum. You know, to keep civil.

[pavlakos]

Originally Posted by Zylark

For future reference: When you quote something, you either use quotation marks, like "this", or quotation tags, like

That way, we know when you utter your own thoughts or someone elses. Not that they may not overlap, but the distinction can be important

But you keep calling me a complete idiot. I am sure it will help in our further dialogue. As a pure rethorical advice however, I would suggest keeping namecalling to a very bare minimum. You know, to keep civil.

youre right. i apolgize for the confusion and i was wrong to assume you had watched any of the videos on the movie. ill be sure to make it very clear that its a quote next time.
just for the record though, i cant recall ever calling you an idiot before. but well be sure to keep it to a minimum...fool.




PS. please dont take that last part personally, its just amusing to me

[Zylark]

^^

[bkadoctaj]

Originally Posted by Zylark

For future reference: When you quote something, you either use quotation marks, like "this", or quotation tags, like

That way, we know when you utter your own thoughts or someone elses. Not that they may not overlap, but the distinction can be important

But you keep calling me a complete idiot. I am sure it will help in our further dialogue. As a pure rethorical advice however, I would suggest keeping namecalling to a very bare minimum. You know, to keep civil.

[OFF TOPIC POINT]Name-calling? I suppose calling people smart for going on Google to look up scientific evidence for evolution theory carries no real negative implication about anyone not already sharing your premise. Either that or you didn't think it through? [Even you, Zylark, know this will not win people over to your viewpoint, although it might gain you rep or a virtual high five for your clever and subtle eloquence.][/OFF TOPIC POINT]

[Zylark]

Did you have a point bkadoctaj, or was it just a diatribe against me?

This is me speculating, but I could be forgiven for thinking you are jealous of my ability to articulate myself. Afterall, what else could "it might gain you rep or a virtual high five for your clever and subtle eloquence." mean?

Though, I do find it rather entertaining that some think I post here for rep or whatever. I have enough unpopular views and methods to make that point entirely mute.

I say what I mean, and mean what I say. No bullshit. I know that is unheard of amongst some circles, but there you go. I should just apologize beforehand for stepping on various toes. Pretty hard. And intentional. Well, not always, some nerves are exposed entirely accidentally.

And I will not go away like your strawman. Have fun

If I wanted to go along to get along, I'd be rearranging my room according to feng-shui right now, whilst sleeping under crystals on a magnet matrass. And then some

[bkadoctaj]

Originally Posted by Zylark

Did you have a point bkadoctaj, or was it just a diatribe against me?

This is me speculating, but I could be forgiven for thinking you are jealous of my ability to articulate myself. Afterall, what else could "it might gain you rep or a virtual high five for your clever and subtle eloquence." mean?

Though, I do find it rather entertaining that some think I post here for rep or whatever. I have enough unpopular virws and methods to make that point entirely mute.

I say what I mean, and mean what I say. No bullshit. I know that is unheard of amongst some circles, but there you go. I should just apologize beforehand for stepping on various toes. Pretty hard. And intentional. Well, not always, some nerves are exposed entirely accidentally.

And I will not go away like your strawman. Have fun

So what if I lay out the honest attempt at de-escalation right here? Let's just agree to disagree respectfully. I meant no diatribe nor to make the claim you post here for reputation points. Honest.

All I meant by those words were that saying you know who smart people are, being those who agree with your essential understanding of life, will most likely not convert many of those un-smart people. I was just pointing that out. The point was that it was not a very pleasant or subtle implication of yours. That's all I meant. To read into it further is to let your passion run wild. You KNOW I mean you no offense, Zylark. Really, I'd much prefer to be viewed as a friend than an enemy, but I was just trying to offer constructive advice, although it wasn't as open as I could have made it, sure.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Zylark]

Originally Posted by bkadoctaj

Let's just agree to disagree respectfully.

Why ofcourse.

But that do not mean we shouldn't keep arguing our points of view. And those may not be entirely in sync

[bkadoctaj]

Originally Posted by Zylark

Why ofcourse.

But that do not mean we shouldn't keep arguing our points of view. And those may not be entirely in sync

Do you really consider what I'm doing arguing? What is my point if so?

[morphyx]

Of course, as we stand on the firm foundation of observable and verifiable peer reviewed empirical evidence, accepting 65% of an answer to dismiss a meddling deity is the price we pay for truth. Who really cares what the actual answer is?

[flyhalf87]

Originally Posted by Zylark

I have been engaged in more than one creationism debate. And I know very well how to back up any claim I make, with enough links to drown any creationist into blind denial.

Which is why I have abandoned the "convince a delusional the real world is true by weight of evidence" method, it do not work.

Seriously, anyone smart enough to use google, can learn the facts of of evolution and not least the arguments against magical creationism. All it requires is a passion to know reality rather than persist in cozy delusion.

That is all it boils down to, and why I am now not defensive about the issue, but rather offensive. I got no respect for denying or trying to obfuscate reality, and I am not about to hide that fact out of some political correct politeness.

The simple fact of the matter is this: There is no scientific alternative to evolution. That theory is it, just as Relativity is to light speed. there is no contention on evolution as a concept, but there are to the mechanics of it. Why is there no alternative? Because no evidence supports an alternative, but all evidence collected through 150 years since the theory was forwarded, have supported evolution.

Again, those that deny evolution, are driven by some supernatural agenda that requires some god or other. Nature isn't enough for them.

dude, you cant just say that somebody is dumb for not posting reasons for saying something and then claim that its ok for you because "anyone smart enough to use google, can learn the facts of evolution and not least the arguments against magical creationism." thats hypocritical bullshit, we dont need any of that, this is SPIRITUALITY AND PHILOSOPHY not the im smart and youre dumb forum

and also , people bash on religious people for believing in the bible or whatever, which have been around for hundreds to thousands of years. because it "was such bullshit, theres so much proof against it" have YOU seen the proof of evolution? or just read about it in a book written by a guy who was trying to get published in a scientific journal? you dont think he had a reason to bullshit? how the hell do you know beyond what youve "googled"? you are naive to think a religious book is subject to the fallibilities of man but a science journal published less than 200 years ago mustve been made by the most honest people ever, and the scientists who also lead research on anti-marijuana which is totally true by the way, are waiting for you to support them on the grass city because you can do such a good job of it.

im just saying man, dont call people out for something that youre guilty of too

[mrblonde77]

Originally Posted by flyhalf87

Maybe this is why PZ was expelled from expelled, he isnt open to debate, which is what the point of the movie is, to show that evolution is just as much of a theory as creationism or ID.

FAIL. You're wrong. Evolution is a fact, Creationism is just an IDEA, and an extremely far-fetched silly one at that. The reason PZ isn't up for a "debate" is the same that I won't debate what 2+2 equals. It's four, that's the answer - it's a fact.

Originally Posted by flyhalf87

what caused the big bang to happen?

We're not sure, yet but just because we don't know doesn't mean you have to apply a god of the gaps argument.

Originally Posted by flyhalf87

where is the proof?

Of the big bang happening? You're alive aren't you? Just because you haven't researched the specifics doesn't give you an excuse to claim the theory isn't a fact, because it is.

Originally Posted by flyhalf87

how is that any different from believing in God?

There's no conscious being making free-willed decisions.

[mrblonde77]

This thread makes me sad. People aren't as intelligent as I hoped or thought they were.