expelled:no intelligence allowed

[Liquidtruth]

Originally Posted by morphyx

Where I get frustrated is in the speculative interpretations of persons biased from predisposed positions of unbelief.

That is your own bias placed on them. You believe this was brought about by unbelief and ignore all the believers who are evolutionary biologists. Sorry, no unbelief bias, no matter how much you want to believe there is.

Also, if you are so certain there is bias, please show it.

[bkadoctaj]

Originally Posted by Liquidtruth

That is your own bias placed on them. You believe this was brought about by unbelief and ignore all the believers who are evolutionary biologists. Sorry, no unbelief bias, no matter how much you want to believe there is.

Also, if you are so certain there is bias, please show it.

Man, I just realized something really amusing (at least to me). The Aristotle quote in your signature says nothing about whether being "educated" is a good thing. haha Perhaps it's sarcastic.

[Liquidtruth]

Originally Posted by bkadoctaj

Man, I just realized something really amusing (at least to me). The Aristotle quote in your signature says nothing about whether being "educated" is a good thing. haha Perhaps it's sarcastic.

It would seem to imply that it is indeed a good thing.

[bkadoctaj]

Originally Posted by Liquidtruth

It would seem to imply that it is indeed a good thing.

If the lens one is looking through is one's own... and one feels learned... then yeah, who wouldn't want that?

[morphyx]

Originally Posted by Liquidtruth

That is your own bias placed on them. You believe this was brought about by unbelief and ignore all the believers who are evolutionary biologists. Sorry, no unbelief bias, no matter how much you want to believe there is.

Also, if you are so certain there is bias, please show it.

Thats ok. You say there is none. That's good enough for me. No need to look further.

[Zylark]

Comparing creationism and evolution is like weighing an ant and an elephant. You can have a very big ant and a very small elephant, but no manner how much good-will you use to read the result, the elephant will keep his cup firmly on the ground whilst in the cup on the other end of the scale, the ant wanders about aimlessly and just a bit confused. And somewhat high off the ground.

But ants don't care much about that. They defy gravity. Much like creationism do. The weight of the conceit done in the name of creationism, should damn the notion to eternal mockery by itself.

The 'Intelligent Design' renaming of creationism is just as transparant and silly as the dogmatic religious ideas behind them.

And an exellent example of the basic dishonesty these delusionals package their delusion in.

[bkadoctaj]

Originally Posted by Zylark

Comparing creationism and evolution is like weighing an ant and an elephant. You can have a very big ant and a very small elephant, but no manner how much good-will you use to read the result, the elephant will keep his cup firmly on the ground whilst in the cup on the other end of the scale, the ant wanders about aimlessly and just a bit confused. And somewhat high off the ground.

But ants don't care much about that. They defy gravity. Much like creationism do. The weight of the conceit done in the name of creationism, should damn the notion to eternal mockery by itself.

The 'Intelligent Design' renaming of creationism is just as transparant and silly as the dogmatic religious ideas behind them.

And an exellent example of the basic dishonesty these delusionals package their delusion in.

This is about all I can do... At the moment of course.

[Zylark]

Oh, please, do continue. You know, beyond the ad-hominems.

edit: Your little response there is just as good as morons posting a 'lol' or anything like it. That animation and no text to back up why you thought that animation was warranted, makes me loose all belief in your ability to debate in a serious manner.

I look forward to your reply explaining it.

[flyhalf87]

Originally Posted by Zylark

Oh, please, do continue. You know, beyond the ad-hominems.

edit: Your little response there is just as good as morons posting a 'lol' or anything like it. That animation and no text to back up why you thought that animation was warranted, makes me loose all belief in your ability to debate in a serious manner.

I look forward to your reply explaining it.

truth

[flyhalf87]

Originally Posted by Zylark

Comparing creationism and evolution is like weighing an ant and an elephant. You can have a very big ant and a very small elephant, but no manner how much good-will you use to read the result, the elephant will keep his cup firmly on the ground whilst in the cup on the other end of the scale, the ant wanders about aimlessly and just a bit confused. And somewhat high off the ground.

But ants don't care much about that. They defy gravity. Much like creationism do. The weight of the conceit done in the name of creationism, should damn the notion to eternal mockery by itself.

The 'Intelligent Design' renaming of creationism is just as transparant and silly as the dogmatic religious ideas behind them.

And an exellent example of the basic dishonesty these delusionals package their delusion in.

you just did THE SAME EXACT THING

you have an analogy about religious people and people who believe in evolution that indicates that creationists are foolish, but you have no argument backing it up other than its what you believe

[bkadoctaj]

Originally Posted by flyhalf87

you just did THE SAME EXACT THING

you have an analogy about religious people and people who believe in evolution that indicates that creationists are foolish, but you have no argument backing it up other than its what you believe

I was trying to let him come to that realization on his own, man. Subtlety...

By the way, Confucius said: "The most intelligent and the most stupid do not change."

Originally Posted by Zylark

Comparing creationism and evolution is like weighing an ant and an elephant. You can have a very big ant and a very small elephant, but no manner how much good-will you use to read the result, the elephant will keep his cup firmly on the ground whilst in the cup on the other end of the scale, the ant wanders about aimlessly and just a bit confused. And somewhat high off the ground.

But ants don't care much about that. They defy gravity. Much like creationism do. The weight of the conceit done in the name of creationism, should damn the notion to eternal mockery by itself.

The 'Intelligent Design' renaming of creationism is just as transparant and silly as the dogmatic religious ideas behind them.

And an exellent example of the basic dishonesty these delusionals package their delusion in.

"They defy gravity"... you and your scientific and theoretical concepts used to back themselves up. lol! (as you put it) You know, what "created" Gravity? What "designed" Gravity? I mean really, Zylark. At best you might say the human mind, am I correct?

At some point, you start to wonder how was creation created without the creation necessary to create itself. At least, I hope you take that into consideration...

EDIT: And lastly, the animation is there merely because it amuses me so much (the animation and what you say with such conviction).

[pavlakos]

oh shit, what did i walk in on....ill let the little fight pass me by.
as for ben steins movie...ugh...what a fucking moron. i mean, if the right people were making it, with a decent theory of course, itd be much better. also...ID also leaves room for the hand of aliens does it not? the whole anunaki theory has more support than this creationist bullshit.

[Zylark]

I have been engaged in more than one creationism debate. And I know very well how to back up any claim I make, with enough links to drown any creationist into blind denial.

Which is why I have abandoned the "convince a delusional the real world is true by weight of evidence" method, it do not work.

Seriously, anyone smart enough to use google, can learn the facts of of evolution and not least the arguments against magical creationism. All it requires is a passion to know reality rather than persist in cozy delusion.

That is all it boils down to, and why I am now not defensive about the issue, but rather offensive. I got no respect for denying or trying to obfuscate reality, and I am not about to hide that fact out of some political correct politeness.

The simple fact of the matter is this: There is no scientific alternative to evolution. That theory is it, just as Relativity is to light speed. there is no contention on evolution as a concept, but there are to the mechanics of it. Why is there no alternative? Because no evidence supports an alternative, but all evidence collected through 150 years since the theory was forwarded, have supported evolution.

Again, those that deny evolution, are driven by some supernatural agenda that requires some god or other. Nature isn't enough for them.

[pavlakos]

youre wrong actually, there actually is at least one theory that supports itself with evidence, although not enough evidence to outweigh evolution as the origins of contemporary humans; and that is why its not popular. truth is zylark, nobody can say what reality is, while people who live in their delusion of some sort of greater force, or even aliens, you live in a delusion where all of that is nonsense, and only nature couldve made all this, and there is no room in your mind for other answers, so what is reality? seemingly the majority of the world is in this delusional reality you speak of. while i agree that it is unlikely that 'god did it' i do not think anybody is in a position to identify 'reality' as everyone really lives in their own little reality anyway. and while the 'god did it' answer tells us how life came to be, evolution does not...unless it really was mud being struck by lightning, which i highly doubt.

[Zylark]

I thought we were talking about evolution? Why do you bring up the origin of life? That is a matter of bio-chemistry.

Evolution is about changes between generations, not origin of life.

Try again?

edit: I meant, a matter of bio-chemistry or theology

Oh, come on, smile just a little bit