Will Bush be the NAU 'president' in 2012?

[CosmicSerpent]

Originally Posted by bkadoctaj

Sheep, naive and brainwashed... lol

I was hoping someone would appreciate the intentional irony.

Well, I'm sure those views don't exist as extremes just to put in perspective the idea that things really aren't as bad as they could be. Conspiracy theories exist for those who believe it can't get any worse. I see value in them.

No, you're right... things aren't nearly as bad as they could be.... we could live in a world where our government planned a terrorist attack on its own people. Wouldn't that suck? Good thing we don't.... whew.

[CosmicSerpent]

[bkadoctaj]

Originally Posted by CosmicSerpent

*Amusing stuff*

That was cool. I was trying to rep you but I've got to spread it a bit.

[CosmicSerpent]

Originally Posted by bkadoctaj

That was cool. I was trying to rep you but I've got to spread it a bit.

Likewise.

[pavlakos]

cosmicserpent wouldnt it make sense to stop doing business, at least publicly with the brother of osama?

Thirteen countries informed Bush of the attack, right? This suggests that he didn't directly plan it, but had knowledge of it and let it happen. Otherwise how exactly would foreign governments have knowledge of a top secret U.S. conspiracy when even the American people didn't have a clue?

He also claims that there were explosions in the basement of the WTC before the plane hit. This suggests that the hijacked planes and terrorist plot were merely a coverup, and the real force that brought the buildings down were explosive devices planted to create a controlled demolition.

So already with these two arguments, we have two entirely different scenarios about how the government may have been involved. But only one of them can be right... either they knew about and intentionally ignored al-Quada's plans, or they planted explosives themselves and the terrorist plot was a decoy. It can't be both, so one of these scenarios is not entirely correct.

alright, a few israeli mosad planted the explosives, the planes hit the towers as a cover, meanwhile, america blames the muslims.
im not saying bush personally planned it all out but he let it happen for his own reasons and blamed it on al qaeda.
as for other countrys knowing, im not sure how they knew but apparently they did and bush did nothing.

[CosmicSerpent]

Originally Posted by pavlakos

cosmicserpent wouldnt it make sense to stop doing business, at least publicly with the brother of osama?

Yes, it would. Thank you for agreeing with my point. If it was a conspiracy, why would he meet with the brother of his scapegoat on the day of the attack? Wouldn't it MAKE SENSE to stop doing business, at least publicly?

[TiCkEr]

Originally Posted by CosmicSerpent

Yes, it would. Thank you for agreeing with my point. If it was a conspiracy, why would he meet with the brother of his scapegoat on the day of the attack? Wouldn't it MAKE SENSE to stop doing business, at least publicly?

It's the truth, not a "conspiracy". I honestly think the majority of the public are so brain washed and in denial it wouldn't even matter. I didn't read the whole thread but regardless if Bush remains president, or Clinton, the agenda will go on as planned. A new president is not what America needs, they need a revolution, so does the entire world. I'm not sure of the exact figures but their something like five percent of the people on this planet control 95% of the $$$.. I think we can share the wealth a little better than that.

Does it strike anyone as a little odd that the Bushes, Clintons, Cheneys etc. seem to remain in office. 300 million Americans and these idiots are continuously being elected and re-elected.. actually I should say appointed, not elected (bloodlines). Regardless, they aren't as powerful as they might seem and are only puppets to those who run this planet.

"If it happened and it wasn't on the news.. then it must not of happened. If it didn't happen and it was on the news.. it so happened."

TiCkEr

[pavlakos]

thank you ticker *high five*

lol, cosmic i just confuse myself with that post. i realized i just agreed with one of your posts, forgot i was arguesing but i guess i do agree with that point, and it is possible that they just didnt think anybody would find out, or are just so arrogant they didnt care. not like it mattered that they met up, the towers still came down.

[TiCkEr]

They've always had a "in your face" arrogance about them.. they just know the sheeple won't think twice about it. They know us "conspiracy theorists" (so kind of them to give us a label just like they did to innocent cannabis - MARIHUANNAAA, REEFER MADNESS etc.) will pick up on it, but heck, were crazy conspiracy theorists, who's going to believe us? If they do, will they be crazy conspiracy theorists to? What will their friends think of them? Will people judge them and say their loony? "Like OMG, will my boyfriend leave me if I think that?" You get my point... same thing goes for cannabis. The brave people in this world are those who are truly unique, who are free thinkers, who do not govern their thoughts for fear of being ridiculed by the sheeple, they do not conform because it is the easier way to go. Sure ignorance can be bliss.. but once you've gone down that rabbit hole, theres no going back.

You start talking about 9/11 and all of a sudden people go "oh your into all that conspiracy shit eh?". Even stoners who know how the government used the media and tricked the masses into believing cannabis should be illegal say that. I totally went off topic didn't I? lol.. oh yeah! They've always put their agenda right in front of our faces. Look at the American dollar bill, look at the logos of massive corporations, listen to the Bushe's, Cheney's, Rockefeller's etc. when they speak.. heck even look at the layout of Washington DC.



TiCkEr

[CosmicSerpent]

conspiracy theory –noun
1. a theory that explains an event as being the result of a plot by a covert group or organization; a belief that a particular unexplained event was caused by such a group.
2. the idea that many important political events or economic and social trends are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public.

con·spir·a·cy –noun, plural -cies.
1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

con·spire –verb (used without object)
1. to agree together, esp. secretly, to do something wrong, evil, or illegal: They conspired to kill the king.
2. to act or work together toward the same result or goal.
–verb (used with object)
3. to plot (something wrong, evil, or illegal).

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006

[TiCkEr]

Originally Posted by CosmicSerpent

con·spir·a·cy –noun, plural -cies.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.

Lol, those were my favorites.

TiCkEr

[CosmicSerpent]

By definition, could you please explain to me how the government secretly planning an attack against it's own people (or merely letting such an attack happen) is not a conspiracy?

[CosmicSerpent]

Originally Posted by TiCkEr

It's the truth, not a "conspiracy".

In no way does the definition of a conspiracy require absence of truth.

Originally Posted by TiCkEr

They know us "conspiracy theorists" (so kind of them to give us a label just like they did to innocent cannabis - MARIHUANNAAA, REEFER MADNESS etc.) will pick up on it, but heck, were crazy conspiracy theorists, who's going to believe us? If they do, will they be crazy conspiracy theorists to?

You added the word "crazy" your self. You seem to have a very different understanding of the word "conspiracy", which is why I gave you the definition.

[TiCkEr]

Originally Posted by CosmicSerpent

By definition, could you please explain to me how the government secretly planning an attack against it's own people (or merely letting such an attack happen) is not a conspiracy?

Sure!

Truth: a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like.

You clearly missed my point. When I said it was a not conspiracy, I meant it in a sense that it should not be looked upon as a "conspiracy theory" by "conspiracy theorists" with all the dogma that goes along with anything "conspiracy". It is the truth and thus should be addressed as the truth, nothing but. I did not mean it in a grammatically correct sense with definitions and such, who gives a fck really. I'm not disputing what the definition of "conspiracy" is.. all I'm saying is that 9/11 should not be labeled as such. There are tons of bogus conspiracy theories out there, which keep people from opening up to what really happened on 9/11. People think if they believe 9/11 is an inside job, then they also must believe Hilary Killary is a shapeshifting alien from another planet. If it is clearly the truth (which it is) why not call it as such. That was my point.

TiCkEr

[Liquidtruth]

Originally Posted by CosmicSerpent

By definition, could you please explain to me how the government secretly planning an attack against it's own people (or merely letting such an attack happen) is not a conspiracy?

There are negative connotations (especially in the media) associated with the term "conspiracy theory" or "conspiracy theorist" which implies, to most people, it is wrong, incorrect, false, or fantasy. "It's just a conspiracy theory" generally implies there are no facts and it is simply a made up story. Calling someone a "conspiracy theorist" often implies the person is crazy, nuts, a fool, an idiot, wrong, etc... I believe that is what the poster was alluding too.

EDIT: Well TiCkEr beat me to it.