you kind of need to be christian to appreciate this thread but feel free to join in

[flyhalf87]

Draw connections you see in the Bible to things you see happening in the world and discuss it.

feel free to join in the discussion whether you believe the bible or not, but this thread is going to assume the bible is true

this isnt a debate about whether God exists, why you should or should not believe in God none of that. only things that you can apply to your life, our society, and maybe our history that you find in the bible.

k ill go first-


i always wondered where the romans and greeks and stuff got their gods and heroes from, i knew there was no way that those stories just came from nowhere because those societies were too logic based to let it spring from nothing. I was reading the bible and realized what it could have been; back in the day before the time of the ark (and even after), angels used to walk the earth and there were the fallen and the elect (not fallen) angels. the fallen angels werent satisfied with their existence and were jealous of mans companionship with women because angels dont have that and started to have sex with human women, the offspring from these mixes were giants and very powerful and were the heroes of the old stories (thats as far into detail as the bible goes that i found), if the mixed offspring of an angel was automatically powerfull enough to be a hero, maybe the fallen angels were powerful enough to awe the people into thinking that they were gods. i mean, isnt why the angels fell anyways? they were sick of worshiping god when they felt like they deserved to be worshiped themselves

heres the bible verse that inspired that thought
Genesis 6:4 "The Nephilim [fallen angels] were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown."

what do you guys think? and do you guys have any realizations like this? and dont worry if you think its old news, its new news to somebody

EDIT:that was the NIV Bible off of biblegateway.com used for that verse

[morphyx]

I think it's legit.

I also see evidence following the Tower of Babel (when language was confounded and man was scattered) that the original oral traditions of God and the flood became co-mingled with pagan worship resulting in various religions. There are over 200 flood accounts in early religions. The Sumerian's historic record is evidence.

Abraham came from Ur of the Chaldees in Mesopotamia-Sumeria. Led by God, he settled in Canaan carrying the most basic elements of the oral tradition of creation, fall, and flood.

[enevitable]

You know whats scary? When people try to associate fictitious stories with history, in order to make them more real and coherent in their minds.

According to psychologists that is a pretty big red flag for a much bigger problem going on.

[flyhalf87]

Originally Posted by enevitable

You know whats scary? When people try to associate fictitious stories with history, in order to make them more real and coherent in their minds.

According to psychologists that is a pretty big red flag for a much bigger problem going on.

dude, come on. im pretty sure i try hard not to bash people for their views on this forum, and all im asking is that if you dont believe or agree or whatever, to at least show some respect to those who do

[enevitable]

Originally Posted by flyhalf87

dude, come on. im pretty sure i try hard not to bash people for their views on this forum, and all im asking is that if you dont believe or agree or whatever, to at least show some respect to those who do

I wasn't bashing you at all. All I was doing was pointing out what you were doing, and pointed out what I read in an intro to psych textbook.

I mean damn, all I'm trying to do is help you out

[flyhalf87]

Originally Posted by enevitable

I wasn't bashing you at all. All I was doing was pointing out what you were doing, and pointed out what I read in an intro to psych textbook.

I mean damn, all I'm trying to do is help you out

well in that case you strayed from the op and are going off topic, so ill remind you that we are drawing those connections to the bible only and are assuming the bible is true. so if you can go ahead and edit or delete those posts to make sure they fall under the guidelines of the op and therefore stay on topic i would appreciate it

[flyhalf87]

Originally Posted by morphyx

I think it's legit.

I also see evidence following the Tower of Babel (when language was confounded and man was scattered) that the original oral traditions of God and the flood became co-mingled with pagan worship resulting in various religions. There are over 200 flood accounts in early religions. The Sumerian's historic record is evidence.

Abraham came from Ur of the Chaldees in Mesopotamia-Sumeria. Led by God, he settled in Canaan carrying the most basic elements of the oral tradition of creation, fall, and flood.

i always had heard that the flood is accounted for in numerous religious and historic records but because of that i couldnt think why those stories would survive with noah and his family after the flood. the tower of babel thing makes sense on how stories would no longer be able to be checked because they had no way of communicating with each other and so result in legend and myth just like the greek gods. thanks for the input

[enevitable]

Originally Posted by flyhalf87

well in that case you strayed from the op and are going off topic, so ill remind you that we are drawing those connections to the bible only and are assuming the bible is true. so if you can go ahead and edit or delete those posts to make sure they fall under the guidelines of the op and therefore stay on topic i would appreciate it

Nope. Its entirely on topic.

[flyhalf87]

Originally Posted by enevitable

Nope. Its entirely on topic.

oh and that was off topic too, because we are drawing CONNECTIONS, not just saying that we are right, we are supporting our statements with biblical evidence just as requested in the op

[flyhalf87]

this is a question i have about the bible, i know the ten commandments say not to covet your neighbors wives (adultery), but where does it say that sex before marriage is wrong? all ive seen is that promiscuity is bad. i choose not to have sex before marriage for reasons other than "because the bible tells me", but where did the church get that its a sin? in the old testament prostitution is evident and seems to be accepted, where did the change occur?

thanks

[morphyx]

You can do a word search on virgin and pull up verses. Also check fornicate/-tion. I have Wordsearch 8 so I can pull up every translation. But you might like to look at http://www.e-sword.net/ or also http://www.bible-explorer.com/ both are free.


The whole issue of marriage is intended spiritually as a mirror illustration of the unity, purity, and fidelity of our relationship with God. For example, the church is referred to in the NT as "the Bride of Christ"; we will join the "Wedding Banquet" we are spotless, white as snow, undefiled...etc. Through the entire Bible, the shedding of blood is a covenant.

Also, idol worshipers are referred to as "adulterers" against God. Israel was said to have "gone whoring" when they turned their backs on the Lord or prophets. So, the symbolism is threaded throughout as well as some direct laws in Deut. 22

[pavlakos]

well i can say that regardless of my belief, i could be considered a christian in the sense that i seek to reach a christos consiousness...thats about it though.

morphyx and OP: the Sumerians also said that a race from the planet nibiru, called the anunaki genetically engineered humans as a slave race to mine gold for them. there is also a paralel with what OP says about the nephilim breeding with the daughters of man, creating the giants, and what the sumerians say about the anunaki breeding with the daughters of man, creating the giants. could the angels be the anunaki?

im sorry to go off topic, but if youre interested check out my intervention theory thread in science and nature.

[Liquidtruth]

We were engineered to be slaves, yet, our master's left us to our own devices for no good reason, so we could one day achieve a technological level that could possibly rival their own?

[morphyx]

Originally Posted by Liquidtruth

We were engineered to be slaves, yet, our master's left us to our own devices for no good reason, so we could one day achieve a technological level that could possibly rival their own?

That's essentially how it goes...

(God's plan)We were engineered to be children of God, (Satan's plan) fell and became slaves, yet, we left God for our own devices for no good reason, so we could one day achieve a [insert man made achievement] level that could possibly rival God?

We're currently slaves to the ruler of this world. God offers freedom.

[Liquidtruth]

LMAO! God offers freedom? What freedom? The freedom to obey a certain, exact, thing or be damned to eternal hell-fire? Sorry... That is hardly freedom.