A Call to Intellectuals

[Digit]

Originally Posted by mrblonde77

Alright I've had enough of the god debates. Seriously we need to move on. As someone else said, there are so much better things to talk about. And since a lot of this philosophy stuff is different with a nonreligious thinking, I'm going to politely tell the religious folks to just leave us alone. Don't post in this thread. Don't post in any thread we make. And we won't post in yours. So who's with me? Writing this, at the top of my head I have in mind Zylark, light, the roach, scooby. Even if it's just 5 people, I don't really care and i'd actually prefer it. I'd liek to hear your guys' opinions on other topics without us having to repeat ourself 80 millions times to the religious folks who have this mental disease called faith. Once again, religious people need not reply. Thanks.

yeah, we dont want any of you religious types who are responsible for so much hate and segregation in the world anywhere near us when we're being intelligent. so that's why we're now getting militant about our atheism and are calling for segregation, where you lower class of beings (religious types) aren't allowed to use the clean toilets, nor look at our shadows. you scum. stop looking at my shadow!

i should check.... am i considered one of those religious people?


i mean... i am a reverend.

*shrugs*




totally with you on the death of god-threads. what a dumbed down no brain trap thats a pile of. "god" & "God" and however else, just way too many associations and interpretations and implied meanings that any reasonable discourse centralised/hinged on the use of that word is just farce.

[Jakigi]

Originally Posted by Digit

yeah, we dont want any of you religious types who are responsible for so much hate and segregation in the world anywhere near us when we're being intelligent. so that's why we're now getting militant about our atheism and are calling for segregation, where you lower class of beings (religious types) aren't allowed to use the clean toilets, nor look at our shadows. you scum. stop looking at my shadow!

i should check.... am i considered one of those religious people?


i mean... i am a reverend.

*shrugs*




totally with you on the death of god-threads. what a dumbed down no brain trap thats a pile of. "god" & "God" and however else, just way too many associations and interpretations and implied meanings that any reasonable discourse centralised/hinged on the use of that word is just farce.

Awesome.

[Digit]

Originally Posted by SugarMagnolia

I also like discussing atheism. However, nobody is going to change their opinions, and every thread (discussion, debate, etc.) questioning the existence of God ends up being the same. Religious folk will not change their minds, nor will their Atheist counterparts.

i've been both and changed my mind many times.

[Zylark]

Originally Posted by Digit

yeah, we dont want any of you religious types who are responsible for so much hate and segregation in the world anywhere near us when we're being intelligent. so that's why we're now getting militant about our atheism and are calling for segregation, where you lower class of beings (religious types) aren't allowed to use the clean toilets, nor look at our shadows. you scum. stop looking at my shadow!

Nownow, please be specific and not general. I am to all practical concerns rather militant in my non believing ways, but I've never supported any idea of seperatism based on any arbitrary standard, least of all a notion of intellectualism.

It is a fallacy to think believers by default are somehow stupid or less intelligent than a non-believer. And though it is tiring to confront the same misconceptions, outright lies and circular logic time and time again, we shouldn't outlaw misconceptions, lies and bad logic. Point it out yes. Ridicule, indeed. Make valid counter-arguments most assuredly.

And then everyone can make up their own mind, when all is said and done. No need to censor any expression

But then again, I'm a believer in the basic good of humanity.

[Floydian]

Originally Posted by Zylark

Nownow, please be specific and not general. I am to all practical concerns rather militant in my non believing ways, but I've never supported any idea of seperatism based on any arbitrary standard, least of all a notion of intellectualism.

It is a fallacy to think believers by default are somehow stupid or less intelligent than a non-believer. And though it is tiring to confront the same misconceptions, outright lies and circular logic time and time again, we shouldn't outlaw misconceptions, lies and bad logic. Point it out yes. Ridicule, indeed. Make valid counter-arguments most assuredly.

And then everyone can make up their own mind, when all is said and done. No need to censor any expression

But then again, I'm a believer in the basic good of humanity.

I'm with ^Zylark. But as long as we go light on the ridicule, at least no more than they do so to us on some occasions. I mean, for fucks sake, my mother is a believer...

[Digit]

yups.

i hope i'm not being taken outta context of implied tone, implied if only by me being me n resting on my reputation as the guy who means well but from time to time explodes like a nailbomb. [/obscure] i didnt so much mean to ridicule, as to uhh..... dang, if only i was better at english, i'd know the propper litterary terms or wotever u classify it as, when~ *looses train of thought in memories of english class, spent drawing on the desk and paper and books, etc* uhh, theres a word for it anyway. when u highlight someones actions by mimiking them back to them in an exadurated context.
ya, i was specifically aiming to shake mr blonde77 by the lapells a little. hold up the mirror. i like doing that. inspiring self checks. i always like it done to me anyways, even the most uncomfortable and necessary times. if it touches anyone else, then its just as welcome.

yeps, i like what ya [zy] said about the no need to censor any expression. indeed. let us say all the stupid stuff. i generally dont even edit out my mistakes, leaving them all there for all to see and learn from. ...which may be a mistake in itself given that we're pretty much monkey based learners. monkey see monkey do. but oh well, if i can learn from those mistakes others will too when they copy me. lol.
just like crossing rugged terrain, in the dark, on foot. only enough light to see the person infront of you and where they've stepped.
you can put your trust in where they've put their feet until you hear a yelp, then you have an instant to react and learn from their mistake. always gotta keep checks on who you follow and whats happening to them from where they are leading you. sure, cultivate a little faith that you're footing will be firm, but dont just ignorantly bumble along having convinced yourself your sure footing is asured. it's not. stay present and aware.

[Zylark]

Well, I know your ways Digit, but not all do, you wonderful herbalist

edit: I am about to burst though. (Not with Digit, by no means) I get the intent of the OP. The irritation of less than rational debate. But As I've said a few times, expect people to be different. And difference do not equal lower level of intelligence. Just wayward concepts and bad assumptions, ready made for correction

[mrblonde77]

Originally Posted by Digit

yeah, we dont want any of you religious types who are responsible for so much hate and segregation in the world anywhere near us when we're being intelligent. so that's why we're now getting militant about our atheism and are calling for segregation, where you lower class of beings (religious types) aren't allowed to use the clean toilets, nor look at our shadows. you scum. stop looking at my shadow!

Not like you to warp an idea and put words in someone's mouth.

[flyhalf87]

Originally Posted by mrblonde77

Alright I've had enough of the god debates. Seriously we need to move on. As someone else said, there are so much better things to talk about. And since a lot of this philosophy stuff is different with a nonreligious thinking, I'm going to politely tell the religious folks to just leave us alone. Don't post in this thread. Don't post in any thread we make. And we won't post in yours. So who's with me? Writing this, at the top of my head I have in mind Zylark, light, the roach, scooby. Even if it's just 5 people, I don't really care and i'd actually prefer it. I'd liek to hear your guys' opinions on other topics without us having to repeat ourself 80 millions times to the religious folks who have this mental disease called faith. Once again, religious people need not reply. Thanks.

im a christian and i made a thread asking if time exists, then left religion out of it, or where there was religion involved in my main arguments i made sure to also have other arguments that had nothing to do with religion that supported the same thing. what the fuck is wrong with you

[Zylark]

So you made a thread without overt religion. Good for you and good for this part of the forum. Still do not make anything wrong with mrblonde, as you claim. If you'd read his OP, and not just quote it, you'd know he would absolutely love any thread that is not god this-or-that in this part of Grasscity.

His entire point is that biblethumping god-believers are either a conversation-stopper or the means to a trainwreck of a thread. Not a contribution to continuos dialogue. Why, because religion is not prone to compromise. As regular thinking humans are.

[flyhalf87]

Originally Posted by Zylark

So you made a thread without overt religion. Good for you and good for this part of the forum. Still do not make anything wrong with mrblonde, as you claim. If you'd read his OP, and not just quote it, you'd know he would absolutely love any thread that is not god this-or-that in this part of Grasscity.

His entire point is that biblethumping god-believers are either a conversation-stopper or the means to a trainwreck of a thread. Not a contribution to continuos dialogue. Why, because religion is not prone to compromise. As regular thinking humans are.

i understand that, and i understand why he said what he said- to stop people from constantly bringing religion into an argument where there was no desire to bring it up in the first place (for instance if someone were to say they believe in evolution as the OP and then some jackass said no you're wrong "cuz im christian" or muslim or whatever). my problem is with the fact that he told all religious people to stay out which is bullshit because i know that plenty of atheists will come into threads and drop bombs on the people for mentioning God and i know that plenty of atheists will start threads about why God doesn't exist. so why only call out the religious people? i can word it better for him

WHEN THE OP DOESNT MENTION GOD OR THE ABSENCE OF GOD DON'T BRING IT UP

but i mean, come on, what was the OP hoping to accomplish with that kind of a post- nothing but an argument

[mrblonde77]

If you noticed, I posted in your thread, flyhalf. I liked the thread, good job. I'm not so sure you fully understand this thread though, it's okay - I expected you to ignore my wishes of not replying here.

[flyhalf87]

also, if you think about it, its kind of unfair how you treated that situation even though i agree people bring up God unnecessarily far too often, and if you would care to notice that i do attempt to treat fair opinions with respect in my other posts; you ignored the fact that atheists will leave snide little comments here and there about god or religious people just because you agree with them, that doesnt make their comments relating to god more valid. And while i respect the fact that you dont believe in god, and don't want to hear in some thread about "why sex isnt bad" that god says its wrong from some guy you didnt want to hear say that in the first place, you have to think about the fact that when people say that, it's because they think they are right, and that they are saving your soul.

so the only real difference between when atheists bring up god unnecessarily, and when christians do it, is one group does it out of love (even if the person, or people, you are refering to may, or may not, do it to feel superior), and the other out of spite or hate or whatever.

i agree with your op, but treat it a little more fairly next time

[Zylark]

If atheists get on your nerves for making snide remarks on a voluntary forum, then just begin to imagine how we feel with churchbells ringing us out of our hungover delirium on a sunday morning. Not to mention all the other days of the week, where we are more or less assaulted by various religions on just about any street and at any time.

I live with christianity insofar it leaves me alone. If It do not however, I am perfectly entitled to reason against it. As that is all I got, reason. In society as well as here on Grasscity. In western society, christians are not the victims. Non-christians are, especially when we get argumentative. So time to get over your selves.

This applies especially to you americans here. Tell me Bush is not motivated by certain christian dogmas, and I will show you the tooth-fairy. Trying to teach AIDS ridden areas abstinece rather than safe sex? Christian immorality right there. Better let the africans we control die than act as responsible humans, spreading some actual knowledge around?!

If christians really do think christ gave them a good message, then follow it. Sermon on the mount, good stuff. Run with it. Don't get caught up in intolerant dogma that follows in the wake.

[flyhalf87]

did you even read my post

i pretty much agreed with you except im on the christian side of it