Christianity has been debunked once and for all

[citizen abuse]

Originally Posted by PuffDragon76

I was once, and still am, a follower of Jesus Christ, the MAN.

There's no issue here. I can respect a person's spiritual beliefs as long as they don't try to use them to dominate others or try to ram them down other people's throats.

Originally Posted by PuffDragon76

Jesus would be a loyal and true friend to an atheist, satanist or pagan. Do you know why? Because he walks the road of peace, truth and light

Oh? The last time I checked, unless a person embraced Jesus as his or her savior, Jesus is going to send them to hell. Not exactly what I would call a friend.

Originally Posted by PuffDragon76

As for the creator of this thread, I'm sure his/her views(atheistic?) were criticized and he is simply lashing this back to Christians out of bitterness and because many Christians can be ignorant.

I guess I just don't understand why a person in these dark times would try and bring more doubt to people's minds...WE ARE ALL CONNECTED and we don't even realize how much we bring pain back to ourselves.

The reason that I started this thread is because I believe that people need to speak out against Christian domination.

[maxrule]

Originally Posted by PuffDragon76

Jesus would be a loyal and true friend to an atheist, satanist or pagan. Do you know why? Because he walks the road of peace, truth and light.

You better be careful. It sounds like you may be worshiping the 'new age Jesus'; he is a whole other Jesus.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Eph 5:11

[maxrule]

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

In a way it's almost a waste of time to argue with Christians over evolution because even if the so-called missing link was found I guarantee you the Chrisitians would still find a way to spin it to fit within their every-word-of-the-bible-is-true-and-therefore-none-of-it-can-be-questioned mentality.

Don't you think that goes both ways?

YouTube - Fibonacci - God's Fingerprint

[PuffDragon76]

Originally Posted by maxrule

You better be careful. It sounds like you may be worshiping the 'new age Jesus'; he is a whole other Jesus.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Eph 5:11

I am not worshiping Jesus at all as he would not have wanted me to and specifically asked his disciples not to in the bible, did he not? Jesus to me is a spiritual teacher of great merit who I try everyday to emulate. When believers from religious groups can think for themselves, they'll come to a similarly simple understanding of the Son of God.

The seed of God is within us all, what really matters is if we choose to care for it or ignore it.

[NecroNetics]

Originally Posted by maxrule

Don't you think that goes both ways?

YouTube - Fibonacci - God's Fingerprint

Although the golden ratio or fibonacci sequence is quite interesting, the things in nature that emulate it emulate it very poorly.

Also, this video started off by talking about dividing this rectangle into "squares" which it was not. Squares must have sides of all equal length. If this short documentary fails to know the differences between a square and a rectangle, it's easy to make the judgment that this documentary could not be taken seriously.

It is an intriguing pattern, no doubt, but the fact that this is an obvious Intelligent Design/Creationism (if you think they are separate, you are a fool) film makes me doubt most of their claims.

For example: Kent Hovind, the prophet of Creationism, thinks there was a layer of water above the earth's atmosphere before "the great flood." He also says that a single drop of water can cover the earth, which can be disproven with 9th grade Chemistry math.

There is an entire series (30 parts) that completely annihilates Creationism/ID. I'm sure the same can be done with this video.

Originally Posted by PuffDragon76

I am not worshiping Jesus at all as he would not have wanted me to and specifically asked his disciples not to in the bible, did he not? Jesus to me is a spiritual teacher of great merit who I try everyday to emulate. When believers from religious groups can think for themselves, they'll come to a similarly simple understanding of the Son of God.

The seed of God is within us all, what really matters is if we choose to care for it or ignore it.

So, do you follow THE JESUS CHRIST, or do you try and emulate what he stands for?

[citizen abuse]

Originally Posted by maxrule

Don't you think that goes both ways?

No it doesn't go both ways because we would be talking about factual evidence as opposed to spin. Factual evidence is fact. Spin is not. Big difference.

[maxrule]

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

No it doesn't go both ways because we would be talking about factual evidence as opposed to spin. Factual evidence is fact. Spin is not. Big difference.

Bias is a human trait, not a Christian one.

One type of cognitive bias is confirmation bias, the tendency to interpret new information in such a way that confirms one's prior beliefs, even to the extreme of denial, ignoring information that conflicts with one's prior beliefs.

Dawkins said it himself.

Like most atheists Dawkins believes in his mind that it is possible that the Universe could come to exist out of nothing and eventually form reality as we know it through a long string of coincidences.

Still somehow he believes in his mind that it is impossible for a creator to exist out of nothing and intentionally form a reality.

Yet Dawkins knows that our reality relies on functionally complete systems to exist, which could not have evolved piece by piece.

Dawkins also knows about mathematical absurdity and of Fundamental Formula Of Gambling, yet he is willing to bet his SOUL against it.

Its called bias and it goes both ways.

[ViaViaHeat]

Originally Posted by maxrule

Bias is a human trait, not a Christian one.

One type of cognitive bias is confirmation bias, the tendency to interpret new information in such a way that confirms one's prior beliefs, even to the extreme of denial, ignoring information that conflicts with one's prior beliefs.

Dawkins said it himself.

Like most atheists Dawkins believes in his mind that it is possible that the Universe could come to exist out of nothing and eventually form reality as we know it through a long string of coincidences.

Still somehow he believes in his mind that it is impossible for a creator to exist out of nothing and intentionally form a reality.

Yet Dawkins knows that our reality relies on functionally complete systems to exist, which could not have evolved piece by piece.

Dawkins also knows about mathematical absurdity and of Fundamental Formula Of Gambling, yet he is willing to bet his SOUL against it.

Its called bias and it goes both ways.

your mom goes both ways

[maxrule]

Originally Posted by ViaViaHeat

your mom goes both ways

So does your dad;

[PuffDragon76]

Originally Posted by NecroNetics

Although the golden ratio or fibonacci sequence is quite interesting, the things in nature that emulate it emulate it very poorly.

Also, this video started off by talking about dividing this rectangle into "squares" which it was not. Squares must have sides of all equal length. If this short documentary fails to know the differences between a square and a rectangle, it's easy to make the judgment that this documentary could not be taken seriously.

It is an intriguing pattern, no doubt, but the fact that this is an obvious Intelligent Design/Creationism (if you think they are separate, you are a fool) film makes me doubt most of their claims.

For example: Kent Hovind, the prophet of Creationism, thinks there was a layer of water above the earth's atmosphere before "the great flood." He also says that a single drop of water can cover the earth, which can be disproven with 9th grade Chemistry math.

There is an entire series (30 parts) that completely annihilates Creationism/ID. I'm sure the same can be done with this video.



So, do you follow THE JESUS CHRIST, or do you try and emulate what he stands for?

Jesus is my brother, my mentor and my friend. The physical Jesus is so obscure compared to the idealogical Jesus that his testament depicts him quite clearly as a man against greed, corruption, who was humble, who treated women equally (as Jesus was a practicing Essene) and also as a user of Cannabis (as in the Bible he was annointed by Canna Bosm, which was translated to Calamus, but many scholars would deny that in place of Cannabis...) At least you cannabis imbibing atheists can find that somewhat cool.

And for the record, I also try and emulate Buddha whenever possible.

If you don't set your eyes to the peak, you won't even make it to the foothills right? Intelligence is fine, but it's a fool's gold quest, Wisdom is the real McCoy (no cannabis humour intended).

Jesus also said not to point out the splinter in one man's eye when we have a plank in our own.

So to sum up, yes, I am a follower of Jesus and what he strived to do in the dark ages of man. If he wasn't crucified, he might have been king and where would be have been right now? I'd vote Jesus over the Queen and the Power of Rome any day!

P.S.: This may not be popular christian opinion, hehe.

Peace.

[citizen abuse]

Originally Posted by maxrule

Bias is a human trait, not a Christian one.
Dawkins said it himself.

I don't consider Dawkins to be the standard for Atheist thought. I know a lot of other people do, but I don't.

Originally Posted by maxrule

Like most atheists Dawkins believes in his mind that it is possible that the Universe could come to exist out of nothing and eventually form reality as we know it through a long string of coincidences.

Still somehow he believes in his mind that it is impossible for a creator to exist out of nothing and intentionally form a reality.

If Dawkins really believes that, it's an example of why I don't consider Dawkins to be the standard for Atheist thought. For one thing, the universe didn't come to exist out of nothing. It originated in the so-called big bang. Something exploded but we're not sure yet just exactly what from. As far as a creator goes, that's just speculation. I don't have a problem with people believing that a creator created the universe. There just isn't one single stitch or thread of evidence to support that hypothesis.

Originally Posted by maxrule

Yet Dawkins knows that our reality relies on functionally complete systems to exist, which could not have evolved piece by piece.

First, you don't know that. Secondly, the evidence clearly suggests that that's how things did evolve.

[mr man fan]

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

Good unbiased opinion!

Just the one point alone that the piece makes, that Jesus Christ had zero knowledge of the natural world, is the absolute knockout blow to any notion that Jesus was the son of a being that created the universe. The absolute knockout blow!

I know this is an old post but meh

I just believe people such as yourself take this all wayyyy too literally. I think trying to prove that it is not all (literally) true is totally missing the point. Missing the point like even alot of people who actually follow the religion do.

Arguing spirituality with a scientific mindstate just simply doesn't work.

The article, for that reason, is a farce. Such irrelevant, points that it is kind of embarrassing (embarrassed for the author) to read.

I'm not christian, btw. Nor do i follow any other religion.

[citizen abuse]

Originally Posted by mr man fan

I know this is an old post but meh

I just believe people such as yourself take this all wayyyy too literally. I think trying to prove that it is not all (literally) true is totally missing the point. Missing the point like even alot of people who actually follow the religion do.

Arguing spirituality with a scientific mindstate just simply doesn't work.

Nor do i follow any other religion.

We're not arguing spirituality. We're debating specific claims that are made by the Christians about their so-called god and his so-called son. Perfectly debatable, debunkable points. You apparently missed that.