Christianity has been debunked once and for all

[morphyx]

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

Well, see, you don't suppose that that's what your problem is, morphyx? You feel like you have to be pledging your allegiance to someone all the time. If it wasn't Jesus it would probably be Wayne Newton or someone.

hahaha...

So, I guess I'll take that as a, "I can't debunk Jesus" admission. Don't feel bad tho, you're not the first.

[stve]

agnosticism is the only real answer to the question of an existence of God(and I mean that from the point of a atheist or a person of a religious group).

I cant believe i just read so much of this thread

p.s. first GC post!

[bkadoctaj]

Originally Posted by morphyx

hahaha...

So, I guess I'll take that as a, "I can't debunk Jesus" admission. Don't feel bad tho, you're not the first.

lol I don't think citizen abuse was trying to himself... I thought he was leaving it up to the article which speaks for itself.

[citizen abuse]

Originally Posted by Phridge

People have the right to live life the way they want- people can believe what they want.

But when religions feel like they must convert/recruit people (almost all of them)- When they go out of their way, to tell you that their way is THE way. thats just fckin retarted and annoying.

nuf said..

Agreed. If the Christians just worshipped among themselves and minded their own business there wouldn't be any issue. The problem is they want to dictate their ideology - at least in the United States anyway - to everyone, Christian or not.

[citizen abuse]

Originally Posted by morphyx

hahaha...

So, I guess I'll take that as a, "I can't debunk Jesus" admission. Don't feel bad tho, you're not the first.

Boy, I'll tell ya, talk about spinning something to fit inside one's agenda. I want to thank you immensely for making this response. It's a veritable, best-case example of a Christian doing what Christians are notorious for doing - engaging in spin. There was absolutely nothing in the post you were responding to that could've led to you drawing this conclusion. You're just engaging in spin here, or seeing only what it is that you want to see. You know, kinda like all of your previous posts!

[Zylark]

Kinda' reminds me of the Ted Haggard interview in "Root of all Evil?"

First he accuse Dawkins of being arrogant, for knowing so much and being, well, an intellectual. Then he goes on a rant where if only Dawkins had read the books he had, and met the people he had, he would, his exact words, "be great as me!" (this was before Haggard got outed as a liar and bigot over the gay-prostitute scandal ). And then, to re-emphasize his moral "superiority" he once again implored Dawkins not to be arrogant.

I stared in disbelief when I first saw that sequence. I've never before seen such blatant arrogance as Haggard displayed in a serious interview. Even the ever smirking Bush Jr fades in comparison. But then again, I suppose living in the kind of denial Haggard did, and possibly still do, have this tendency to lead one down some very irrational paths in order to shelter the wall one have built between message (what one want to be perceived as) and practice (what one actually is). That is cognitive dissonans for you, in the extreme perhaps, but none the less.

[citizen abuse]

Originally Posted by Zylark

Kinda' reminds me of the Ted Haggard interview in "Root of all Evil?"

First he accuse Dawkins of being arrogant, for knowing so much and being, well, an intellectual. Then he goes on a rant where if only Dawkins had read the books he had, and met the people he had, he would, his exact words, "be great as me!" (this was before Haggard got outed as a liar and bigot over the gay-prostitute scandal ). And then, to re-emphasize his moral "superiority" he once again implored Dawkins not to be arrogant.

I stared in disbelief when I first saw that sequence. I've never before seen such blatant arrogance as Haggard displayed in a serious interview. Even the ever smirking Bush Jr fades in comparison. But then again, I suppose living in the kind of denial Haggard did, and possibly still do, have this tendency to lead one down some very irrational paths in order to shelter the wall one have built between message (what one want to be perceived as) and practice (what one actually is). That is cognitive dissonans for you, in the extreme perhaps, but none the less.

Yeah, well, that's typical Christian behavior. Christians try to make everything compatible with their fictitious, religious vision of reality. This is typically referred to as spin. Christians are notorious for engaging in spin. morphyx's example wouldn't even meet the criteria for being a poor attempt at it. But you need to keep in mind that at the time he made that post he was a shaken man, a veritable shell of his former self. He was literally on his last leg. The man had been officially debunked a few posts earlier. And at the time he made that post I think he was in a state of total confusuion. In fact, I heard a rumor that he was considering throwing in the towel and coming over to join the ranks of us Atheists.

[Zylark]

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

In fact, I heard a rumor that he was considering throwing in the towel and coming over to join the ranks of us Atheists.

Haha, well then you got your ears a bit closer to the jungle drums of the rumour mill than I do

[citizen abuse]

Originally Posted by Zylark

Haha, well then you got your ears a bit closer to the jungle drums of the rumour mill than I do

Keep in mind, it was only a rumor. I can't guarantee the accuracy of it. But morphyx was clearly a visibly shaken man after going thru the humiliating, embarassing, and very public debunking that he was mercilessly subjected to. His foundation was literally rocked to the core.

[Zylark]

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

Keep in mind, it was only a rumor. I can't guarantee the accuracy of it. But morphyx was clearly a visibly shaken man after going thru the humiliating, embarassing, and very public debunking that he was mercilessly subjected to. His foundation was literally rocked to the core.

Being an equal opportunity skeptic, I won't believe it until I hear it from morphyx himself. Until then I will just treat the rumour as an attempt of ad-hominem. That is, an argument based upon person rather than concept.

Though I clearly do not agree with morphyxes concepts, it will, if I can be pardoned a popular metaphore, be a cold day in hell before I resort to publicly discussing him and not his delusions.

Besides, I think giving too much attention to the personality and motivation of anyone, especially those who harbour less than rational ideas, only feeds their general delusion of grandeour and paranoia.

Reasonable arguments (even if somewhat mocking and on the bright side of humour) on the other hand, might just cause reflection, or at least instigate further discussion, rather than default turtling personal attacks more or less always lead to.

[ZeroPDK]

Originally Posted by the roach

Doesnt matter, religion has taught people to be satisfied with not knowing the answers to the universe.

simplest way to put it.

[Bluntzilla420]

Religion is like the Rubik's Cube of humanity. It will take you a while to figure it all out and when you finally put the pieces together, it's just one piece from being incomplete once again.

[Amberoonski]

Originally Posted by Arnack

I've argued against many smart Christians and it made me staying uneasy whether if i'm right or wrong being an atheist. I would love to confirm myself it's fake but they provide some good debates.

If you just think that Jesus might be a possiblity of truth, then you are still in trouble. Believe with your whole heart and accept him as your savior and you will be saved. It's pretty simple. Doesn't have to be complicated unless you are trying to fight against it.
Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. Anyone who comes to me will not perish but have eternal life."

The Truth is the Truth whether you believe it or not.

[4twizzy.]

im surprised that this thread is still going ..... i mean seriously arguing over proofless ideas is pointless i dont get what ppl dont understand

[Amberoonski]

Originally Posted by negligent

ok, first off lemme say that i'm a satanist, meaning i dont believe in a christian god or anything like that, but whoever wrote this is a total jackass.

he makes alota really stupid arguments, thinking that he's "proving" that christianity is "fake"

first off, if jesus really is the son of god, his purpose on earth wasnt to teach people the universe's secret, or that the world is round and that the moon causes tides n shit.. the point of christ was to teach people morals and how to be a good human being, not that there were continents and thousands of other people in the world.. jesus was not a god, but a meer man, and was not all knowing

he argues why would jesus come at such a time when people were stupid.. could it be because it was when humans were starting to establish a solid society/government and god may have wanted to set some rules to keep the human race going, instead of there being absolute chaos, murders, theft, etc.

people were not awe struck looking at jesus because he did not look like god, he looked like any other man in that time period, i've never heard that jesus was god on earth, otherwise he would have never been crucified and cast horrible wrath on sinners and the roman empire

then he goes on to say that god would have to judge 2 people every second at the rate of death, but anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence knows that time is only a human perception with measurements of a reoccuring pattern (day/night, months to makeup seasons, seasons to makeup years).. if you've ever been unconscious u know that it can seem like hours, when in conscious time it was only a matter of minutes, and when you die, if there is anything at all after death, time and your perception of it is totally gone, and you would experience "eternity" until you are reincarnated, or forever

god wouldnt work a 9 to 5, because time does not exist, and also obviously this guy knows nothing about christianity, because god himself is not who judges people

then he brings up dinosaurs for who knows what the fuck reason, i guess to prove how "scientific" he is, but humans didnt "have to have lived with the dinosaurs", because if we did, the human race would be extinct as well

in the bible it talks about god creating the world in 7 days, and if i'm correct, man was made on the 7th day, by 7 days i'm sure this does not mean 168 hours in human time, it is a metaphor like most of the bible, so man was not made the very second the earth was created, 7 days was probably in fact millions of years, 7 days in "god time" which debunks his theory of god judging people at 2 per second because as i said before, time does not exist

people always attack specifically christianity for some reason, when in fact all religions are "fake" in a scientific sense, and by doing so your no better then a christian, thinking that your opinion is absolute truth.

and that was negligents debunking of the debunking of christianity

and did i mention i also think christianity is fairly stupid as well? not as stupid as the guy who wrote this though

Jesus was God in flesh. He was crucified so that your sins could be forgiven once and for all time. Otherwise you would have to follow all the Jewish Laws back then of burnt sacrifice and atonement for sins. That is why he died. Simply because we are all full of sin and evil and need atonement. He did it because He loves us. When He died, he went and defeated Satan and now holds the key to both the gates of Heaven and Hell.
He is the Judge and decides who goes where, but He also gave us the key to Heaven. We just have to take it. Actualy, on the 7th day he rested. Man was created on the 6th day. Oh and he can come back any time. If you need proof that God is real, it completely deleates the whole concept of Faith.
"Blessed are those who have seen and believed, but even more blessed are those who do not see and believe. " ~Jesus Christ