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Old 05-11-2008, 09:41 PM
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The question of creation is not to be sought after, it is something that will be understood once you understand the Tao.
On rereading, I've come to the conclusion that you make a vital point here. The quest for understanding the origin of things motivates us, but to strive to understand it in words is to be looking in the wrong place, as words were created as well. It is analogous to looking at another person, or animal, or object to understand where we came from. The only way to understand is to let go of that need to know, and the truth can freely come to you. The lack of desire one has to know [and become a personal authority] will help to un-cloud one's vision.

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I am no expert on Taoism, but I believe in the universal truths, and if you understand that then the atainment of the understanding of the Tao, makes very much sense. It is the understanding of how the light and the dark are a balance of one another. So that you learn to live in every moment, and try to understand life in the moment.
Connecting moments as you do by understanding how you connect other things. You know a moment wasn't created, but rather perceived. Thus, you connect moments as you connect [associate] other things you perceive. This is what leads to a truly greater understanding. The Confucians were not at all far off when they stressed li (or "principle"). All chairs have the chair principle, but what does the principal chair look like?

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You don't go look in a book for your answers, you understand that the book provided the answers that were correct when it was written, but only to the capability of communication that is possible, to somebody who doesn't understand what the communicator knows.
Or knows he/she is trying to describe, perhaps. When I read, it is to understand the author, and not gain knowledge. When I read for the sake of understanding, the understanding of myself is truly what occurs and transforms me. It is the same as saying that one has learned a lesson, but the lesson is often not the same in the learner's mind as in the mind of those who taught it to him (either directly or indirectly, with intent to or without it).

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Simply put it is never possible to explain this universal force, because it is eternal, and causes life to be born, and to grow. This force, can never be seen directly, because we are a product of it. What it does is that it enters into something, and when it does, the light is a subject of the dark, and with perfect harmony, they negate each other, and produce a third object.
As we (are able to) recognize ourselves as being from this force, we are of this force, and we are the effect of this force. Likewise, the force is the representation of what causes the effect that we realize ourselves to be by being. Light and dark imply each other, as existence implies (non-existence, or pre-existence). The mechanism of the implication may be implied by the mechanisms that transform things. If we perceive an ability of an object to mutate from dark to light, we perceive an ability (whether observed or hypothetical/theoretic) inherent in the object to transform from light to dark. The transformation is mutualistic, or bidirectional. If we perceive bidirectional transformation to be self-complete/-total, we can speak about oneness. What we mean by oneness, is oneness in principle.

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This is why the number 3 is a holy number, because all that we are and all that can be seen is represented in it. When the nothing and the ant-nothing, apear in the same space at the same time, they produce the result that is born into the power of the oposites. The creation of the third from the two, the being and the not being.
Holy as is any other number, as we don't think of the number three in a vacuum. Three is held above (separate from) other numbers by some people because it serves as a powerful and relevant symbol. Again it is the principle of three, because what does three really look like? We might go so far as to say it is conceptual. But is that far, or is it really a clue to look at everything as being conceptual (or conceivable)?

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It is the power of synergy.
Concepts self-relating and perceived as interacting as they have become so varied in perception can be simplified to one principle: it-ness (which I am about to write a thread on as I just had a revelation on it).

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oh and yes we live on through our parents. This is why the male is represented by an upwards triangle (as seen on a private in the army) and a female is represented by a V or upside down triangle (ever wonder why a ship is always a female? It is because the sales are the Male that impregnate her to power, and energy.
I'll try my best to universalize that by again stressing the principle: the principle of parents lives on through kids understanding what parents are.

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You can come to this knowledge by reading any one of the major religions, as long as your ready to drop the dogma and realize that you must be able to tell truth from false every second of the day of the year. And if you can't perceive one from the the other than you will never see the third.
lol it's funny this was the 23 reply 2 3's
Oh, that clever spinning mind we have.

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OH and what do you think that the wink emplies? Sarcasm right... Well what is sarcasm, it is the understanding that is gained by understanding that you don't mean what your saying, so you actually mean something else. It is the third perspective, two eyes closed one eye open. the two become one.
We both get the principle when one of us is sarcastic.
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Ever read the Tao of Pooh and the Te of Piglet by Benjamin Hoff?
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Ever read the Tao of Pooh and the Te of Piglet by Benjamin Hoff?
Nope... the title is pretty strange. I'll check that out.
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Ever read the Tao of Pooh and the Te of Piglet by Benjamin Hoff?
tao of pooh is pretty good.

i take it with as much salt as i take actual daoism.
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Any fans of Kerouac? He often talks about the Tao, and his perspectives are oftened tinted by buddhist teachings. Reading Desolation Angels atm.

Also, has anyone else tried meditating on sections of the Tao while on hallucinogens?
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Any fans of Kerouac? He often talks about the Tao, and his perspectives are oftened tinted by buddhist teachings. Reading Desolation Angels atm.

Also, has anyone else tried meditating on sections of the Tao while on hallucinogens?
On acid, yep. As for the Kerouac, I haven't actually read any of his stuff, but that sounds like a good idea.
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i've recently been reading a biography of einstein and i just finished the part about him finalizing his general theory of relativity and it's like all the things he was searching for throughout his life (the "fabric" of the universe, the light ether, which is the medium that light supposedly travels through in the classic views of physics) and what he believed the universe to be (that is was perfect and operates in harmony) and i just wanted to say that a lot of his views and his findings (theories of relativity and field theories) tie in to a lot of what you're saying about Taoism. It's like this huge coincidence between what science finds and religions describe. I love this kinda stuff haha.
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i someone else was talking in one of the earlier replies to this post that creation came from 1, and then to 2, and to 3, and so on. It's crazy to think Einstein's general theory of relativity proved that matter creates gravity and in turn gravity creates more matter and this all happens in the "fabric" of spacetime/space.

Another physicist, Brian Greene described this in the biography as some matter causes gravity and pull somewhere else in space which, in turn, causes more matter to be created somewhere else and so on and so forth.
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