Someone who believes there very experienced in Astral projection/ Lucid dreaming

[Chief Tokem]

Wanna talk to me about it? I really wanted to talk to the Puerto guy in the thread a few down, but it seems like he doesnt use this website anymore. I've read tons of different things on the internet abou tthese topics, but so far have only had one lucid dreaming experience and would rather to talk to some one and ask questions rather than just read, since that doesn't seem to be helping.

[Retroshark]

well... what exaclty do you wanna know?? ive only ever achieved drug induced inbstances of both, but my mom who beleives shes psychic clames to be able to leave her body and all that without the aid of drugs (rolls eys)

so yea, what would you like to know man

[kretz]

i think ive been out of my body once. its in the other astral projection thread if you want to read it. ever since then i havent had any experience like that. cant get past the vibrations anymore for the time being. im still learning tho.

[scoobydooby67]

Originally Posted by Retroshark

but my mom who beleives shes psychic clames to be able to leave her body and all that without the aid of drugs (rolls eys)

well im not psychic at all that shit is completely retarded but ive achieved OBE's without drugs before.

its fucking hard, but not impossible.

that said, drugs help SO much in astral projection.

Chief Tokem, i would shoot Melkor a pm, he seems pretty experienced in this.

good luck!

once you unlock your mind with shit like this its really awe-inspiring.

[Chief Tokem]

Originally Posted by scoobydooby67

well im not psychic at all that shit is completely retarded but ive achieved OBE's without drugs before.

its fucking hard, but not impossible.

that said, drugs help SO much in astral projection.

Chief Tokem, i would shoot Melkor a pm, he seems pretty experienced in this.

good luck!

once you unlock your mind with shit like this its really awe-inspiring.

For sure, thanks scooby.

To retro, I guess I'm just kinda wondering how to get that shit started. I've read all these wierd ass things on the internet, like lay in bad and imagine electric pulses running through your body and all sorts of crazy stuff, but that doesnt really work for me.

Lately, like as in the last 2 years, I havent been dreaming all that much. I mean I probably am, but I have absoulutely no recolection of them. Back like 8-10 years ago, around when I was 8 or 10, I used to have insanely vivid dreams. I would remember almost everything, and it pretty good detail too. Back in these days, I had the only lucid dream I've ever experienced. I didn't know what to cal it back then, but I described it to my friends as being in complete control of your dream. At some point while I was dreaming, I somehow just came to the realization that I was dreaming, and from there started to try and change things. I don't remember all of it, but I pulled some Dragon Ball Z shit for a while, flying around shooting beams at poeple, and then I began to summon random structures, like mansions or just giant walls. It was pretty wierd but so cool, I dont even really care about AP that much, I just want to do something like that again.

Last night, after reading that big thread about AP that has the Puerto guy in it, I took some of his advice and while laying in bed kept on thinking "I will remember my dreams" over and over again. It seemed to have helped, since I remember about half of what went on, but I never took the jump to actually realize I was in a dream.

[Retroshark]

you know what, somone suggested that "remember my dreams" thing to me a long time ago, and if i remember correctly, it did actually work lol.

but yea, personally, ive only had the chance to leave my body or project myself out of my body on mushrooms and acid. acid only once though.

i cant really describe how to do it, as its something that just sort of happened, but normally, to get into that state, you definately need to entrance yourself. what works for me is so put on music that easily allows for your thoughts to wander off, eat some good boomers, in moderation of course, and allow your thoughts to totally transcend normal levels.

one time which i accidentally left my body, i felt the ground leave my feet, and i lost all sense of being grounded, while looking out my 3rd story window at school. i felt and somewhat saw the walls fade out, and just visioned myself floating 60 feet above the ground... it was very very odd, and at the time, i was scared so i instantly ran to the nearest staircase to get down to the ground level as fast as i could possibly run.

whats important is that you really become entranced before this happens. theres a certain degree of balance required, as in control vs lack of control over ones self, as well as self awareness/ loss of self awareness.

i hope that makes some sense to you, but as i said before, ive only achieved it through drugs, so mayn will argue that it is not true projection/dreaming, however i beleive it to be 100% the same thing.

[Palmer Eldritch]

when I'm in a sober period, I can usually achieve three instances of lucid dreaming in a week, so yeah I think thats a bit more than average...

I usually have a persistent landscape I explore, there is of course variation each time I dream in these environments, but the schematic layout is always the same. Sometimes I discover new places and they become incorporated for future lucid experiences. The general goal is to escape the city into the wilderness, along the way there are a lot of things that will distract me or harm me and it becomes an endurance trial to reach the forest. Sometimes I don't care about escaping though and just have fun in the bazaar listening to music or the carnival riding crazy intradimensional rides.



One of the funnest things I've done and mentioned before is painting with the dream air. I could compress the air into prisms and depending on the pressure I could get different colors. Making a light sculpture out of air is really surreal, but definitely worth the strain of concentration. I usually wake up tired if I do this.

So what kind of questions about lucid dreaming do you have? I don't consider my experiences astro projection.

[Retroshark]

ahh i was waiting for whoever it was (you apparantly) to post that map!!!! thats one of the single greatest things ive seen posted here, and a real great piece of evidence for the lucid dreaming/astral projection argument. man, every time i see that, im so overwhelmed with jealousy for your experiences!! i cant imagine how awesome it must have been to compile that map.

aweosme! you get + rep for sure for reminding me how awesome that map is.

[Palmer Eldritch]

hah thanks. yeah I have no idea why I can do this, perhaps just a general detachment or disinterest in real life has allowed me to focus more attention to the inner world.

It kinda sucks though that I have to stop smoking weed for a week or so to be able to do this. smoking herb gives me dreamless sleep. Its hard to know what I want to experience more

[Retroshark]

yea, thats a really tough call haha

[scoobydooby67]

hey palmer,

whenever i do this i find upon waking that my mind is not fully rested.

do you experience this also?

[GhettoShinobi]

iunno but i always wanted 2 kno hwo that shit felt

[Palmer Eldritch]

It depends. If the lucid dream occurs before the first time I wake up, sometime between 2-4 hours in, I'll feel tired when its time to get up. But if I wake up after a normal 8 hour sleep, and go back to bed within a few minutes I'm very susceptible to lucid dreams that don't seem to fatigue me. Could be because I'm entering another REM cycle and eventually get up before getting back into deeper sleep.

[Arnack]

Lucid dreaming an AP are two TOTALLY different things!!

[Arnack]

Originally Posted by Retroshark

ahh i was waiting for whoever it was (you apparantly) to post that map!!!! thats one of the single greatest things ive seen posted here, and a real great piece of evidence for the lucid dreaming/astral projection argument. man, every time i see that, im so overwhelmed with jealousy for your experiences!! i cant imagine how awesome it must have been to compile that map.

aweosme! you get + rep for sure for reminding me how awesome that map is.

Dude I don't get what the picture is mind explaining? maybe because im a bit stoned .