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View Poll Results: How will human civilization end?
The Sun burning out 1 1.67%
Collision with a celestial object 5 8.33%
Pollution/global warming 7 11.67%
Using up all of our resources 7 11.67%
Disease/infection/widespread plague 5 8.33%
Nuclear warfare or other WMDs 11 18.33%
Extraterrestrial invasion 1 1.67%
Apocalypse/supernatural intervention 6 10.00%
Other (explain) 8 13.33%
It will never end. 9 15.00%
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Old 02-18-2008, 05:26 PM
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How will human civilization end?

All good things come to an end. Discuss.
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Old 02-18-2008, 06:52 PM
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i voted nuclear war, but i think a celestial strike is also pretty probable in our near future.

we'll be looooooonnnng gone by the time the sun burns out haha.
 
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Old 02-18-2008, 08:55 PM
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What the heck is an end? Are you implying you know when the beginning was?
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Old 02-19-2008, 12:53 AM
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What the heck is an end? Are you implying you know when the beginning was?
No, but I'm open to the possibility that human life will one day no longer exist. How? I have no clue. I'm not saying it's a certainty... that's why I made this an open-ended question and not a prediction or statement. Also note the last option on the poll "It will never end."
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Old 02-19-2008, 01:47 AM
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Something interesting

just thought id spice things up a bit.

http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm ( the STOP! one is my favorite)
 
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No, but I'm open to the possibility that human life will one day no longer exist. How? I have no clue. I'm not saying it's a certainty... that's why I made this an open-ended question and not a prediction or statement. Also note the last option on the poll "It will never end."
Note that there is currently one vote for that option. That would be mine.
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Old 02-19-2008, 01:56 AM
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I voted WMD's. I think running out resources is a viable option, however the rich and affluent will survive for many many years to come with the resources that they can simply buy (resources will just become really really expensive before depleting)--The same can't be said for poor developing nations in Africa and the like. I also believe humans should pursue space colonization to assure we do not overpopulate and use too many resources. We're facing nuclear war every day indirectly, you know? Most of those are pretty viable in the future. Obviously we'll be long gone in 5 billion years when the sun's gone, or into other galaxies where that won't affect humans.

Disease/infection/widespread plague is also an option, looking at Avian flu paired with Antibiotic-Resistant diseases is kind of scary. Antibiotic resistance is a big issue in Peru where they're facing Resistant forms of TB. Celestial object is plausable, it can happen to any old rock in space, you know?

As for my views on an extraterrestrial invasion, let me tell you what. I'm going to assume another extraterrestrial (intelligent) civilization, would not want to destroy anything that they found. That is excluding if they're extremely advanced with space travel and stuff, and they're just looking to conquer as many galaxies as possible (or if they're similar to the Covenant in Halo and are simply conquering humans because of religious zeal) But I assume that anyone exploring space is just looking for exploration. Do you think that if human civilization located another planet with life, that our goal would be to conquer it?

I don't believe in a supernatural intervention personally so that's not very plausable in my opinion, but you never really know what could happen. IMO we're out here on our own, animals on a big rock you know? And if we die out it will be by natural or human means.

Props to you Cosmic, you sparked my brain for the night, not to mention your poll was pretty intensive and covered a lot of ground. Peace bro.

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Note that there is currently one vote for that option. That would be mine.
Could you elaborate? Not that I'm trying to say you're wrong... after all none of us can predict the future. I just want to understand from as many different perspectives as possible. Do you think none of the above situations have a chance of happening, or do you just think that none of them have the potential to completely destroy us? Do you think that the human species (as well as our civilization/culture) will continue to exist infinitely?

It's nice to hear from someone who's always willing to think outside the box.
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Old 02-19-2008, 02:22 AM
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Could you elaborate? Not that I'm trying to say you're wrong... after all none of us can predict the future. I just want to understand from as many different perspectives as possible. Do you think none of the above situations have a chance of happening, or do you just think that none of them have the potential to completely destroy us? Do you think that the human species (as well as our civilization/culture) will continue to exist infinitely?

It's nice to hear from someone who's always willing to think outside the box.
Look, do dinosaurs still exist? Does their DNA? If so, don't they technically still exist in the sense that they could be "resurrected"? And haven't humans had an effect on earth or the solar system? And by that token, is there a human footprint on the Universe for all time? Didn't humans have to exist in this reality for this reality to exist? We'll never die. Even if no one/thing is alive able to name or "know" what humans are at a "moment" in the infinitely distant future, we'll still have shaped that future in some way.
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Look, do dinosaurs still exist? Does their DNA? If so, don't they technically still exist in the sense that they could be "resurrected"? And haven't humans had an effect on earth or the solar system? And by that token, is there a human footprint on the Universe for all time? Didn't humans have to exist in this reality for this reality to exist? We'll never die. Even if no one/thing is alive able to name or "know" what humans are at a "moment" in the infinitely distant future, we'll still have shaped that future in some way.
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Four of the listed options could overlap one another IMHO, in that they could all happen at the same time and be stimulated by each other. The fact is the world doesn't end when we end. If there are still two cockroaches scurrying around after we've done away with ourselves, then the world is still intact. Nature has proven itself more than resilient in seemingly impossible situations.

How will it ultimately end? I don't know, however these things end I guess. So I'll ask in the meantime, when do we begin to live?
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Old 02-19-2008, 02:56 AM
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I believe that the human civilization will end; but only with the implication of a new and greater human civilization rising from the ashes.

If the question was, will humanity ever end? My answer would be no, there will always be a new beginning; Our DNA and planet could be completly wiped out, but humanity would survive. We are more than just the ego that is attached to our DNA.
 
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Old 02-19-2008, 03:07 AM
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What the heck is an end? Are you implying you know when the beginning was?
You don't?
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i dont know if this will make it END necessarily, but Disease/Plague is MUCH more likely than people like to believe

why?

people mis-use medicine and other products of the sort

when you take antibiotics that come in a pack of say, 6 or 7 pills, you are supposed to take all the pills. some people, since they feel better after 3 or 4, stop taking their prescription, only to find that a few days later after they thought they were better, they feel worse than ever. this is because the virus wasnt gone after the 3 or 4 pills, it was just severely weakened....but what is left over after the weakest part of the virus is destroyed? the parts of it that survived the initial antibiotics..AKA the strongest part of the virus. Then these stronger parts of the virus multiply while the person assumes they are better, resulting in worsened symptons in a few days

a countless number of people do this, and what it does is mutate the viruses...makes the inherent strain stronger..and it's that part of the virus that gets passed on...viruses will continue to grow stronger

another example is hand sanitizer....it kills 99.99% of germs (both good germs and bad germs btw)...so what does that mean? That means that the .01% that survived is the strongest bacteria...and then we have a similar effect to my first example


it's not a huge concern right now obviously but it is definitely possible

but in the end, our only hope is interspace travel and colonization because the Sun won't live forever
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You guys bring up some good points, but I guess I should have explained more in my original post...

I realize there will be a human footprint on the Universe for all time, and that it's very unlikely that every last shred of evidence for our existence will be completely eliminated. If there's a climate change, meteor collision, or even nuclear holocaust, there will still be evidence left that we were here. But even if the Earth and everything on it totally ceased to exist, there would still be human objects on other planets and floating through space forever. All of that is pretty undeniable in my opinion, and it's not what I meant to suggest.

What I'm asking is this: when do you think humans will become extinct in the same way that we think of dinosaurs, mammoths, and Neanderthals as extinct? When will our civilization (cities, books, governments, cultures, etc) be something from the past and no longer serving the purpose they were meant for? If you're not comfortable thinking about an absolute end, then what events do you think will trigger a significant decrease in our population rather than a huge increase like we've basically always had? Or alternatively, if you don't think we'll ever be "destroyed", then what will become of us? Will we continue to evolve, and if so then into what?

My opinion is that it will be a combination of a few of the scenarios I posted, based on the current rate of increasing overpopulation. It will start with pollution and/or using up our natural resources, and quickly build up to the most desperate conflict humans have ever faced. People will start dying faster and faster starting with the poorest, and it's quite possible that disease could spread rampantly especially in third world countries. In many ways, these things have already started to happen.... just not to such a point that they're a threat to our very existence as a whole. The wealthy would last the longest, but the more desperate and greedy people became, the more irrational they would also get... which would mean fighting over the few resources that are left, and therefore the threat of nuclear war. This whole process I've described doesn't necessarily mean the end, but it means that the human population could be drastically downsized. That's all assuming our planet doesn't get obliterated by a collision with another object of course.
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