'Noah's flood' kick-started European farming

[MelT]

The flood believed to be behind the Noah’s Ark myth kick-started European agriculture, according to new research by the Universities of Exeter, UK and Wollongong, Australia. Published in the journal Quaternary Science Reviews, the research paper assesses the impact of the collapse of the North American (Laurentide) Ice Sheet, 8000 years ago. The results indicate a catastrophic rise in global sea level led to the flooding of the Black Sea and drove dramatic social change across Europe. The research team argues that, in the face of rising sea levels driven by contemporary climate change, we can learn important lessons from the past.
The collapse of the Laurentide Ice Sheet released a deluge of water that increased global sea levels by up to 1.4 metres and caused the largest North Atlantic freshwater pulse of the last 100,000 years. Before this time, a ridge across the Bosporus Strait dammed the Mediterranean and kept the Black Sea as a freshwater lake. With the rise in sea level, the Bosporus Strait was breached, flooding the Black Sea. This event is now widely believed to be behind the various folk myths that led to the biblical Noah’s Ark story. Archaeological records show that around this time there was a sudden expansion of farming and pottery production across Europe, marking the end of the Mesolithic hunter-gatherer era and the start of the Neolithic. The link between rising sea levels and such massive social change has previously been unclear.
The researchers created reconstructions of the Mediterranean and Black Sea shoreline before and after the rise in sea levels. They estimated that nearly 73,000 square km of land was lost to the sea over a period of 34 years. Based on our knowledge of historical population levels, this could have led to the displacement of 145,000 people. Archaeological evidence shows that communities in southeast Europe were already practising early farming techniques and pottery production before the Flood. With the catastrophic rise in water levels it appears they moved west, taking their culture into areas inhabited by hunter-gatherer communities.
Professor Chris Turney of the University of Exeter, lead author of the paper, said: “People living in what is now southeast Europe must have felt as though the whole world had flooded. This could well have been the origin of the Noah’s Ark story. Entire coastal communities must have been displaced, forcing people to migrate in their thousands. As these agricultural communities moved west, they would have taken farming with them across Europe. It was a revolutionary time.”
The rise in global sea levels 8000 years ago is in-line with current estimates for the end of the 21st century. Professor Chris Turney continued: “This research shows how rising sea levels can cause massive social change. 8,000 years on, are we any better placed to deal with rising sea levels" The latest estimates suggest that by AD 2050, millions of people will be displaced each year by rising sea levels. For those people living in coastal communities, the omen isn’t good.”

[Azimuthal]

Well I thought that the noah's ark flood killed everybody and everything except for noah, and his ark. Now it gets to be a localized flood that merely displaced people.

Where is this from? I hope you have not gone crazy and written it yourself.

[MelT]

Originally Posted by Azimuthal

Well I thought that the noah's ark flood killed everybody and everything except for noah, and his ark. Now it gets to be a localized flood that merely displaced people.

Where is this from? I hope you have not gone crazy and written it yourself.

You don't really think I'd post anythng without sources?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1118213213.htm

MelT

[dirtydingusus]

the story of noah in the bible was only telling you what the people who wrote it saw and what they thought it ment to them ...not what the rest of the people in the wrold saw or expeereanced?

[MelT]

Originally Posted by dirtydingusus

the story of noah in the bible was only telling you what the people who wrote it saw and what they thought it ment to them ...not what the rest of the people in the wrold saw or expeereanced?

Absolutely. And the point is that if it is just what the people in one area saw, ie, that it wasn't a worldwide flood - then the story that god flooded the world and thus all creatures were killed, is not true. So the Old Testament would be errant, god's word in it flawed.

MelT

[dirtydingusus]

you have to think about the fact that "there"whole world was flooded....they realy knew nothing about people in other parts of the world....

im not saying there are no "mistakes" in the bible...im saying it is only told from the prespective of those who wrote it....


i still dont believe in "religin" or the "people " who try to preach it


i just believe in what i feel inside of myself...and in myself i find there to be something more in this universe than we can explane...and i dont believe we came from nothing i still feel there is a power or energy out there witch created us there was some kind of plan...and that plan has nothing to do with these modern "churches" i believe in my spirit and the spirits of others...

and i dont believe when i die there will be nothing....but that does not mean i can tell you what the something is....

[dirtydingusus]

ps...


to them it was the wole world..becouse it was every thing they knew that was flooded....



besides we all know how storys become ledgins and with each retelling some one adds some thing or leaves something out...who of us can know what "moses" realy saw or told to begin with ....and if it was word for word true we would all be inbread like a muther fucker by know...

[Liquidtruth]

Originally Posted by dirtydingusus

you have to think about the fact that "there"whole world was flooded....they realy knew nothing about people in other parts of the world....

im not saying there are no "mistakes" in the bible...im saying it is only told from the prespective of those who wrote it....

Noah did not write Genesis you realize. So, it was not written from the perspective of the people who went through the event. Also, it would not be hard to figure out the whole world had not flooded if you're sailing around on a big ark. If the whole world was not flooded, how long do you think it would take to find land? What was the size of the flooded area? A rise in sea level of 1.4 meters would not indicate a global flood to anyone with a brain, because it would not be hard for them to realize they are on solid ground. Such a rise would in no way, shape, or form, lead one to conclude the world had flooded. Suffice it to say, the whole world did not flood, the people who went through such a flood would realize that (especially considering they apparently survived)... The whole story is simply that, a story. Probably based on a big flood that happened, and then grossly exaggerated, as per the article. I am of course being kind to suggest it was based off of some kind of event that actually happened.

Originally Posted by dirtydingusus

to them it was the wole world..becouse it was every thing they knew that was flooded....

No... It is doubtful they would think the whole world flooded, as they would have fled the coastal lands that were flooding and, lo and behold, quickly found themselves on dry land.

[Zylark]

But, but, but, with no flood, what about the Grand Canyon?!?!?!?!?!!?

Almost seriously, a little trickly river cannot make that shit, not in 6 thousand years at least, a huge fucking flood had too, it's so, well, grand!

Hence the name. Grand, godly, two sides of the same coin really. Let's just be honest, let's call it gods canyon. See, no trouble there, just a name, very descriptive too.

God said *poof*, a bit wet ensued, and there you go. Not much to it really.

What was that again? Evidence, schmevidence...

God is great, damned be the evidence! I know! Well, believe. Technically, as faith is belief, as defined by not knowing for sure, but claiming to do. Without evidence.

Come to think of it, what was so special about that apple? Was it laced with LSD or something?

[dirtydingusus]

Originally Posted by Liquidtruth

Noah did not write Genesis you realize. So, it was not written from the perspective of the people who went through the event. Also, it would not be hard to figure out the whole world had not flooded if you're sailing around on a big ark. If the whole world was not flooded, how long do you think it would take to find land? What was the size of the flooded area? A rise in sea level of 1.4 meters would not indicate a global flood to anyone with a brain, because it would not be hard for them to realize they are on solid ground. Such a rise would in no way, shape, or form, lead one to conclude the world had flooded. Suffice it to say, the whole world did not flood, the people who went through such a flood would realize that (especially considering they apparently survived)... The whole story is simply that, a story. Probably based on a big flood that happened, and then grossly exaggerated, as per the article. I am of course being kind to suggest it was based off of some kind of event that actually happened.
No... It is doubtful they would think the whole world flooded, as they would have fled the coastal lands that were flooding and, lo and behold, quickly found themselves on dry land.

so if they dident think "there"whole world was flooded


then i supose no one ever thought the world was flat ither?


also i do not disagree with the fact that it was a story as i said who knows how many people "retold" this story and added there own little bits untill it was finaly ritten down?

people in there time did not have the knowlage we now have....and they only knew what they saw ...or what they were told?

[Liquidtruth]

Originally Posted by dirtydingusus

so if they dident think "there"whole world was flooded

then i supose no one ever thought the world was flat ither?

How do those two things line up? You cannot believe the world has flooded when you're standing on dry ground and you can see miles and miles of dry ground all around you, except for where the flood is. If my town flooded during the big flood of '97, I would not have thought the world had flooded. Believing the world is flat is an entirely different thing... I do not get the comparison.

Originally Posted by dirtydingusus

also i do not disagree with the fact that it was a story as i said who knows how many people "retold" this story and added there own little bits untill it was finaly ritten down?

people in there time did not have the knowlage we now have....and they only knew what they saw ...or what they were told?

Yes, indeed, they only knew what they were told because no one saw the world flood. So, a story was made up about a world-wide flood and people believed it because their elders told it to them. That does not mean the world flooded, however, nor does it imply people who went through a flood would have thought so.

[dirtydingusus]

yeah i hear you...but who said they "saw" all this dry ground?
or were standing on it?

some fucking thing got flooded and if the foold was big enuff for them to be on this "ark" for awile even say a week or so what is to say when they found dry ground they did not think that was cus the "flood" waas drying up?

besides there are other problems with this story as well...how the fuck can you get 2 of every animal on this "ark" at one time? and also be able to feed them?wouldent the preditors want to eat ?

i cant say i believe the story as told....but that does not mean it dident come from somewhere?...even the dumbest storys in history had to come from somewhere?and i doubt they just made up the entire thing ? something inspired it smoewhere along the way?


you know i asked my father some of these same questgens along the way whem i was growing up...his answers never satified me....

once i asked him about dinosours...why if every thing that ever happened in this world was suposed to be in the bible....where were the dinos?

his answer to me was that they never existed?

wtf?

so than where did all the bones come from?

he said they were planted?

wtf?

by who?

he had no reasonable answers for me?

once he was studying to be a minister....

now he like myself rejects religin.....but also like me he still believes there is something more out there than just us...

religin drives people away from spirituality every day with its missunderstandings and made up bullshit...

religin is a tool used for many generations to control people and unfortuneitly many many people are still fooled into following it and living in fear of a wrathfull god who will "flood" them to death or rain fire from the sky....what loving god would do such a thing?

[dirtydingusus]

Originally Posted by Liquidtruth

How do those two things line up? You cannot believe the world has flooded when you're standing on dry ground and you can see miles and miles of dry ground all around you, except for where the flood is. If my town flooded during the big flood of '97, I would not have thought the world had flooded. Believing the world is flat is an entirely different thing... I do not get the comparison.

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people in the days of the bible lived in a much smaller world than you and i ....some of them dident even know about life beond there own villages and towns there was no "evening news"...you cant look at it from the perspective of someone liveing now...you have to remember these people where uneducated farmers...fucking sheep hearders...who thought there fealds where the whole world....

not unlike the people who thought waht they saw was the whole world and there was no way there was anything acrossed the sea ?the told columbus he would sail off the edge of the world? becouse they thought they knew what the "whole " world was.....not realy much differenc at all....

you dont have to agree with me ...
for me to see what i see

[Liquidtruth]

I was not looking at it from the prespective of someone living now. I am pretty much done explaining this. I will sum up.

A) No global flood happened.
B) No ark was involved in any of it.
C) People were not ignorant beyond the borders of their village. Trade did occur. People did travel.
D) Obviously some groups of people were isolated, especially if they lived in very remote and hard to reach areas.
E) Someone thinking the world is flat is different from someone who believed the whole world flooded. The reasons should be obvious, if I need to spell it all out, I suppose I could.
F) Noah did not exist.

[dirtydingusus]

so i supose you know it all