Agnostics! Lend me your ear!

[weedseed]

agnosticism. not a matter of "i dont believe in a god..period." more like "if i get proof then ill believe"

atheism. "i dont believe in a god..period..in fact i believe the opposite...there is NO higher power." (true atheism)

this is for the agnostics out there.(atheists aswell.. ofcourse)

as i said in another thread "Proof is in the experience"

the only proof you will be able to obtain is that of a supernatural nature..there is no hard physical evidence that you can hold in your hand...i can admit this.

if the only thing keeping you from believing in God is the lack of proof then i challenge you all to do a few things.

*read/study the entire new testament.dont read it with bias.read it with a neutral mind.

*give God your whole heart and dont worry about being disappointed.

*attend church regularly.fellowship with other christians aids in wisdom and strength.you can learn a lot from those who are farther in their walk with Christ.


**IF you do just these three things i can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that you will get the proof you seek.

the proof is there if you are willing to go on a pilgrimage to find it.

YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE!!

PS: i refer to the christian god ofcourse 1: because he is my God and 2: he is the most widely followed god on this planet and is also the god that most claim doesnt exist. this thread isnt meant for an aggravating debate just a simple challenge..whos game?

[JesusC]

Originally Posted by weedseed

agnosticism. not a matter of "i dont believe in a god..period." more like "if i get proof then ill believe"

atheism. "i dont believe in a god..period..in fact i believe the opposite...there is NO higher power." (true atheism)

this is for the agnostics out there.(atheists aswell.. ofcourse)

as i said in another thread "Proof is in the experience"

the only proof you will be able to obtain is that of a supernatural nature..there is no hard physical evidence that you can hold in your hand...i can admit this.

if the only thing keeping you from believing in God is the lack of proof then i challenge you all to do a few things.

*read/study the entire new testament.dont read it with bias.read it with a neutral mind.

*give God your whole heart and dont worry about being disappointed.

*attend church regularly.fellowship with other christians aids in wisdom and strength.you can learn a lot from those who are farther in their walk with Christ.


**IF you do just these three things i can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that you will get the proof you seek.

the proof is there if you are willing to go on a pilgrimage to find it.

YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE!!

PS: i refer to the christian god ofcourse 1: because he is my God and 2: he is the most widely followed god on this planet and is also the god that most claim doesnt exist. this thread isnt meant for an aggravating debate just a simple challenge..whos game?

I think the only thing you'll get out of doing those 3 things is the ability to fool yourself into believing you've found god.

My advice is stay away from the church, stay away from religion, and stay away from people who preach it. Follow your heart and your own mind. Learn to appreciate your place in the Universe, as well as the Universe itself, and you'll discover something greater than "god".

You'll discover personal meaning...

[XPiperX]

Originally Posted by weedseed

agnosticism. not a matter of "i dont believe in a god..period." more like "if i get proof then ill believe"

atheism. "i dont believe in a god..period..in fact i believe the opposite...there is NO higher power." (true atheism)

this is for the agnostics out there.(atheists aswell.. ofcourse)

as i said in another thread "Proof is in the experience"

the only proof you will be able to obtain is that of a supernatural nature..there is no hard physical evidence that you can hold in your hand...i can admit this.

if the only thing keeping you from believing in God is the lack of proof then i challenge you all to do a few things.

(1)*read/study the entire new testament.dont read it with bias.read it with a neutral mind.

(2)*give God your whole heart and dont worry about being disappointed.

(3)*attend church regularly.fellowship with other christians aids in wisdom and strength.you can learn a lot from those who are farther in their walk with Christ.


**IF you do just these three things i can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that you will get the proof you seek.

the proof is there if you are willing to go on a pilgrimage to find it.

(4)YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE!!

PS: i refer to the christian god ofcourse 1: because he is my God and 2: he is the most widely followed god on this planet and is also the god that most claim doesnt exist. this thread isnt meant for an aggravating debate just a simple challenge..whos game?

No one is going to listen to you.

Would you like to know why?

Because in the very first part of your post, you try to and fail very hard at defining agnosticism. An agnostic believes that there is, or is very likely to be, a higher power of some sort, though the agnostic is not sure what it is, how it works, or especially claims to know how it works, as some ignorant texts do.

And let me number some things and show you how it wouldn't work even if you did get it right...

(1): www.evilbible.com and www.skepticsannotatedbible.com

Bias or not, those two sites take away ANY ability you have to use your book of fairy tales as any kind of reason to submit to a belief that amazingly, a baby was born out of a "virgin" in some shit hole middle eastern village, grew up to be the son of god, made blind people see, walked on water, died and then became a zombie that ascended into heaven.

(2): right, so, they're supposed to give their heart to something they cannot interact with in any way, except by talking to themselves, in their heads. I see.

(3): Yes, you'd be amazed at the power of large numbers of people who are already so far lost in the fog of a self-convinced grand delusion.

(4): Except your free will, your ability to think for yourself and live as you please, using your own common sense and moral guidelines, instead submitting to the will and law of a dusty old book of fables and fairy tales. Nothing else to lose, though.

Most widely followed God on this planet? By a whopping 33% of the total population of the earth. Seems like a fairly small number to me compared to the rest of the world.

I move this thread be deleted- We don't need people trying to convert in a place that is about discussion and debate.

[weedseed]

though i respect your opinion, there was no need to post it here as i have already done so in the first post of this thread.(blunt terms but nevertheless.i apologize.)

this is a challenge to the agnostics..ofcourse im not going to exclude the atheists from this task..it would be a prejudice that im trying to avoid so as to not spark an endless and tiring argument that would change the course of this entire thread..


PIPER: like i said..im referring to christian agnosticism..and yes, i gave a very very brief description but i think everyone knows what i meant...youre the first one to mince my words. well done.

this is why i call it a challenge..because it is isnt going to be an easy task to (temporarily at least) submit yourself to my God for the sake of potentially finding the truth you say isnt there ...if you missed the point of this thread.. its to actually hunt for a truth unknown to you..you cant find if you dont look

i also didnt mention the different forms of agnosticism either..if youd like to indulge go ahead..this thread isnt meant to inform everyone about the facets of agnosticism..

if youre agnostic you know what you believe or do not believe..

i find it funny that youll be swayed by those websites and give them your attention but you wont do the same for the opposing side..if you can study what they have to say in order to learn or better form your opinion then it cant be completely obsurd to do the same with the bible can it?

[JesusC]

Originally Posted by XPiperX

No one is going to listen to you.

Would you like to know why?

Because in the very first part of your post, you try to and fail very hard at defining agnosticism. An agnostic believes that there is, or is very likely to be, a higher power of some sort, though the agnostic is not sure what it is, how it works, or especially claims to know how it works, as some ignorant texts do.

Not quite. An agnostic, as defined, doesnt believe there is any way to know one way or another..in regards to god or creation.

[CoughDrop]

Originally Posted by weedseed

if the only thing keeping you from believing in God is the lack of proof then i challenge you all to do a few things.

*read/study the entire new testament.dont read it with bias.read it with a neutral mind.

*give God your whole heart and dont worry about being disappointed.

*attend church regularly.fellowship with other christians aids in wisdom and strength.you can learn a lot from those who are farther in their walk with Christ.

if you believe this than the only thing making you believe in god is a stipulation that you defined, achievable with actions and not understanding. That is such an empty concept of spirituality.

God is undefinable. The second you try to define what god is or how best to relate with it, you have it wrong.

[weedseed]

good friend these actions bring understanding...

edit: does saying that God is undefinable subtly insinuate that you believe He exists?

like i said...please dont turn this into a debate..there are countless threads for that..and there are countless threads that oppose my opinion..its only fair that i can do the same as everyone else..if you would like to debate we can start another thread to do so and ill be glad to participate

[XPiperX]

Originally Posted by weedseed

i find it funny that youll be swayed by those websites and give them your attention but you wont do the same for the opposing side..if you can study what they have to say in order to learn or better form your opinion then it cant be completely obsurd to do the same with the bible can it?

Already did. Still not interested in the jewish water walking zombie theory.

[weedseed]

Originally Posted by XPiperX

Already did. Still not interested in the jewish water walking zombie theory.

then leave this thread respectfully and let the ones who havent...partake if they so choose..

from the way you speak id say you didnt do any of the three things i mentioned or else youd have better knowledge than you do.

youve successfully mentioned some of the most widely known stories of Christ..that doesnt credit you for diligent studies

[JesusC]

Originally Posted by weedseed

good friend these actions bring understanding...

edit: does saying that God is undefinable subtly insinuate that you believe He exists?

like i said...please dont turn this into a debate..there are countless threads for that..and there are countless threads that oppose my opinion..its only fair that i can do the same as everyone else..if you would like to debate we can start another thread to do so and ill be glad to participate

Okay so if you werent looking for debate, what exactly were you looking for?

Were you just hoping to get no responses until people followed your "instructions" and found god?

You have to understand that when you come to this section of the forums with a formula for finding god, people are going to question you...and with good reason.

[weedseed]

you arent questioning anything in this forum...you are rebelling...

no i didnt expect zero responses...i also didnt expect what you are doing..

if anything id expect people to respect the thread as you would want others to do in yours...

id also expect people to ask questions if they have them..maybe even ask why i believe these tasks will help in their search.

im aware of how these forums work..ive been here for a couple of years..debating,arguing,informing,learning,etc...

you just have to use common sense..

[JesusC]

Okay, so heres a couple of questions...


Are you saying that by doing these three things you've found god?

And if so, have you communicated with it? If the answer is yes, how so? If the answer is no, how are you aware you've found it?


I'm not trying to give you a hard time here, im asking this out of pure curiosity.

[weedseed]

Originally Posted by JesusC

Okay, so heres a couple of questions...


Are you saying that by doing these three things, you've found god?

And if so, have you communicated with it? If the answer is yes, how so? If the answer is no, how are you aware you've found it?

by doing these things ive found God..thats a broad yes..

by doing these things ive grown..these three things unlock so much more providing you do them from the heart and not the mind.

what do you benefit from doing these things? you gain knowledge,understanding, and a supernatural high..so to speak..an inexplicable feeling..

giving yourself to my god brings an indescribable peace..overwhelming joy..

have i communicated with God? yes..audibly? no...its more feeling than hearing...

im aware ive found Him because the feeling Hes given me is unexplainable..i gave Him my all so He gave me His..and now, for the rest of my life ill reap the rewards..

its very simple..people try to make it harder than it is..

these arent MY guidelines to "finding God" they are tools..necessities..

if you can do these things with a desire to find the truth then it is 100% likely that you will find Him...theres no brainwashing to it...no manipulating your mind..no mysticism..

[naku06]

I have read a great deal of the bible. not going to front to back, but a lot.
I can't give my "heart" to something i can't decipher to exist quite yet. I hate the uses of symbolism for the heart having feeling, its a complex circulatory pump nothing more.

I've been to churches, of many variations, while they claim some decent values, those very values can be achieved without a single session or reading out of logic and rationalism.

I need not find god, good sir. I've done just fine so far without him/her/it.

[robby.toney]

you dont need to go through life "looking" for anything..just pay attention, notice things, do your best to understand them. life is common sense, there is no need to complicate things by organizing something as simple as faith in the fact that the universe is happening. regardless of how anyone personally tries to explain things, things are, and i think everyone can agree on that. the only thing anyone can do is be true to what they think is right for them. to some of us things might appear "wrong" and thats fine. my philosophy is let people do their thing so long as they aren't hurting anyone, and until someone comes along and tries to dominate someone who is unwilling, we're cool. personally i have a satisfying relationship with the universe, and as i'm sure that if jesus did live, he died and went back to where i came from, which means that he got recycled and a fraction of his juice is powering my engine. cool. same thing with hitler. not so cool. i don't know about you, but both good and evil floats into my head, though i recognize things for what they are, and for the majority of time good prevails. stoned ramble ceases.