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08-04-2007, 08:40 AM
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| the doors of perception Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: California Love
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| Religion as philosophy...
Deities and icons aside, isn't all religion philosophical in nature?... Does that mean that philosophy gave birth to religion? philosophy is innate, and religion not? throughout the ages religions have come and gone, but philosophy is always present.
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08-04-2007, 08:45 AM
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08-04-2007, 07:05 PM
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Martin Luther's 95 theses... Acceptance of the theory of evolution into religious thought... etc If it wasn't philosophical in nature, then religion would be static... But it's not static. It changes at a rate equal to the society it's a part of...it's dynamic.
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08-04-2007, 07:34 PM
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It does not change at a rate that is equal to society. It holds society back, and has done so, for hundreds of years.
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08-04-2007, 09:02 PM
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maybe depends on your perspective... That's like saying the current laws of physics are holding us back  ...Holding us back from what? What's to stop us from changing the laws of religion, or physics? what's to stop us from thinking for ourselves in a free and democratic society... I think it's the institutionalization that holds ppl back... and yet some institution is necessary to maintain order. I like this quote, in regards to the buddhist religion "Thus we could say that the Buddha's Dharma is, as experience and as a way to practical realisation, a religion; as the intellectual formulation of this experience, a philosophy; and as a result of self-observation and analysis, a psychology. Whoever treads this path acquires a norm of behaviour that is not dictated from without, but is the result of an inner process of maturation and that we - regarding it from without - can call morality." Lama Anagorika Govinda
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08-05-2007, 12:23 AM
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I think Religion is the system that structures the philosophy. So you have your philosophical belief that.... The Earth was made in 7 days. And I think that would be the philosophical deduction of the bible. And then all the Branches of Christianity would be systems(platform/structure) Of a specific philosophy. So I guess what I am trying to say is... Religion is a structure of beliefs. Philosophy is free.
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08-05-2007, 12:29 AM
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by institutions of learning, the government, the church. it is both static and dynamic, I believe... static in that we tend to maintain our beliefs...but dynamic in that our beliefs are open to change..
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08-05-2007, 01:05 AM
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I think philosophy is only bound to society in the sense that were the only society we know of to have philosophized. Philosophy and Religion Must be Innate. They both spontaneously happened. And as far as I can tell there has never been one without the other. I would agree that Philosophy and Religion are both static and Dynamic. Static in the sense that the idea is there but not necessarily present. Dynamic because of the chaos that is always constant.
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08-05-2007, 01:05 AM
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i dont think of it as static or dynamic, why does it have to be one way or the either? Philosophy is the ability to play with ideas and beliefs inside your head, without accepting them. Religion is accepting that certain thought as a belief. IMO.
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08-05-2007, 01:09 AM
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 . Maybe mmkay is right, too...
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08-05-2007, 04:12 AM
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Sounds good.
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08-06-2007, 08:10 PM
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Yes, religion is philosophy! Without proof that isn't a book or writting it's all subjective. As far as it being innate, a new word to me I must admit, however it depends on the way you mean it. Innate in coming from the mind, yes. The only way religion could not be innate is if you meant religion spawned itself and no philosophy was required. Is that what you were saying? Good thread, love the huge minds rolling around in here it's great. 
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08-06-2007, 08:33 PM
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the philosophy you tend to lean toward in life is partially genetic... as in your mind, your intelligence, is largely genetic... but, it's also a matter of socialization (social learning)... I guess your religion would be partially genetic too?...only there are so many different religions with such similar concepts...that it is more an issue of socialization than genetics?... As in what types of philosophies you lean toward is more steady, than religion?
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08-06-2007, 08:36 PM
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all religion believers watch the first part of this video. if interested on the 9/11 conspiracy, watch the second part. this video is very long but is very intellectual. www.zeitgeistmovie.com
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