The Illusion of Prayer (vid)

[StickyxLover]

Interesting. The guy does have a good point and i do agree. Watch it and discuss...<object height="350" width="425">

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[CH3VELLE]

if atheists are so confident in what they believe in, why do they continue to put so much energy/time into trying to essentially convince religious believers otherwise? :/

anyways, i have seen this video numerous times. i know im not the only one.

on the contrary, for example, a christian could just as easily say that atheists are just seeing an illusion. the argument could go either way. it all boils down to proof and is a direct representation of the materialistic society in which we live in today. it all makes sense!

[Rasta_Man]

Originally Posted by CH3VELLE

if atheists are so confident in what they believe in, why do they continue to put so much energy/time into trying to essentially convince religious believers otherwise? :/

anyways, i have seen this video numerous times. i know im not the only one.

on the contrary, for example, a christian could just as easily say that atheists are just seeing an illusion. the argument could go either way. it all boils down to proof and is a direct representation of the materialistic society in which we live in today. it all makes sense!

I do so because the legislation of the world's superpower is made based on theological beliefs.

[CH3VELLE]

and there is much truth to that. even though im religious, i have always been a firm believer in keeping church and state separate.

[Rasta_Man]

Originally Posted by CH3VELLE

and there is much truth to that. even though im religious, i have always been a firm believer in keeping church and state separate.

See; now that's a mentality I can rally behind.

We got a looooong way to go, though, the seperation thing seems to be almost nonexistent in the United States, among many other countries.

[Azimuthal]

I don't really see any good points made by this video. Christianity.com is not some point of reference to all christians, at least he could have found a passage from the bible. And 'yes' 'no' 'wait', are these in the bible? No.

And oooh, the enforced perception that Christians lack 'common sense'. Frequently making the implication that 'intelligent' people will 'obviously' side with him, what a twat.

Even better, "If you're a smart person, you may be starting to see the illusion of prayer". Well I must be a retard because I can't extract a coherrent argument from this vid.

[Azimuthal]

Aw fuck, i found something else.

"For example, you might say to yourself:

"God cannot be tested!"

or

"God must remain hidden"

But these are rationalizations, nothing more. The fact is, the scientific studies [about the lack of effects of prayer] are correct. Every answered prayer is a coincidence."

So much is wrong with this page of text.. This guy seems to be of the odd world view that science can answer all questions. Science unfortunately cannot answer the question, "Is our scientific knowledge applicable to all space and time?" Any 'intelligent person' will see that this is not known.

[Mr.GoodStuff]

Originally Posted by Rasta_Man

I do so because the legislation of the world's superpower is made based on theological beliefs.

Well if factual understanding could have brought about the world's superpower, why didn't it?

Don't you think it's more than a coincidence, that the most powerful countries are based on a code of ethics, derived from the Absolute? (whichever they may choose, it's all the same just a different perspective)

Or do you think that science and what we can prove just got left in the dust because we are just misguided and/or crazy?

That countries based on God would use science as a tool to expand their influence, instead of the other way around?

I guess we got it all wrong?

At least we can say it's what happened and it was because it made the most sense to the most people- or else science would have been the theme.

I guess the answer is to understand it is two sides to the same coin. Both parties are right in there own way- and only become wrong when they try to disprove the other.

"No, this coin is HEADS!!!" "No, this coin is TAILS!!!" "can't you see the face?" "can't you see there isn't one?"

They both are right, only become wrong when trying to disprove the other's view. In order to understand fully, you must change your perception.

I understand and accept science and the universe as being the surface- why can't you understand and accept that God is beneath that? If you would only take the time to look, and keep in mind it isn't something you can see- only understand through logical progression. A lot like love- God is love.

[Rasta_Man]

Originally Posted by Mr.GoodStuff

Well if factual understanding could have brought about the world's superpower, why didn't it?

Don't you think it's more than a coincidence, that the most powerful countries are based on a code of ethics, derived from the Absolute? (whichever they may choose, it's all the same just a different perspective)

Or do you think that science and what we can prove just got left in the dust because we are just misguided and/or crazy?

That countries based on God would use science as a tool to expand their influence, instead of the other way around?

I guess we got it all wrong?

At least we can say it's what happened and it was because it made the most sense to the most people- or else science would have been the theme.

I guess the answer is to understand it is two sides to the same coin. Both parties are right in there own way- and only become wrong when they try to disprove the other.

"No, this coin is HEADS!!!" "No, this coin is TAILS!!!" "can't you see the face?" "can't you see there isn't one?"

They both are right, only become wrong when trying to disprove the other's view. In order to understand fully, you must change your perception.

I understand and accept science and the universe as being the surface- why can't you understand and accept that God is beneath that? If you would only take the time to look, and keep in mind it isn't something you can see- only understand through logical progression. A lot like love- God is love.

Because there is absolutely no reason for me to do so. There is absolutely no reason for me to believe any supernatural being exists.

I do not think that God is something that be validated through logic; it is validated through dogma and blind faith.

It's like me saying that I don't believe in geology because of a deep inner conviction -- it's nice and all, but it really doesn't provide much reasoning, does it?

[Mr.GoodStuff]

It is not blind faith. I saw it with my own eyes before. I also feel the presence of God on a daily basis and talk to Him a lot. That's why I want to tell everyone instead of keeping it to myself- it is the most beautiful thing I have ever understood.

At the time it terrified me with it's scale.

This is something profound I read today that really shows my frustration with this-

"People do their absolute best to allow the message of love to enter the hearts and minds of others. But all they can do is ask for more proof, more physical evidence."

It isn't about proof. It's about love.



I am now learning it is more about those who understand and are willing to become enlightened, and less about those who don't.

It's just hard because I want to give it away so bad... I just want to show you how beautful it is.

If I can't, than it is a waste of my time to concern myself with those who claim I never could have seen it in the first place.

Thank you for taking the time to talk to me about these things, it really means a lot to me. I am just trying to give something away, not force it down anyone's throat.

I really hope you can see that.

[Rasta_Man]

Originally Posted by Mr.GoodStuff

It isn't about proof. It's about love.

Yeah see, that's the thing; unfortunately it IS about proof.

If I can't, than it is a waste of my time to concern myself with those who claim I never could have seen it in the first place.

Yeah, that damned logic is a real snag when it comes to pseudosciences, huh?

[SouthernComfort]

I prayed to your jug of milk. It answered my prayers with a yes. It said I have already cursed this man. As you can hear he already has a speech impediment and sounds like he's drinking snot on a regular basis. Next time you go to profess your lies know someone is coming to hunt you down and drown you in the snot that it sounds like you so regularly drink. Oh, confess that you are a sinner and ask Jesus to come into your life as your personal saviour. And it will happen. That jug of milk aint gonna do anything but rot. (I do not mean any dissrespect by this) Peace and Love

[Mils]

I had to post

"I saw it with my own eyes before."
what'd it look like, care to describe it?

"I also feel the presence of God on a daily basis and talk to Him a lot."
Yeah? does he ever talk back? if so, how does he sound, i always thought he'd be a little condescending

"I just want to show you how beautful it is. "
I'd like to show you how beautiful love is when its real haha.. when u can touch it


"Thank you for taking the time to talk to me about these things, it really means a lot to me. I am just trying to give something away, not force it down anyone's throat. "
Respectable


These threads are so incredibly frustrating... hmm... life experiences and logic vs. a book thats been manipulated for a couple thousand years

dont get it twisted yo, god exists.. definition is whats missing

[Smigs]

Absolute bullshit. God doesnt have the time to answere every prayer. Some get answered and some dont. Its not a wait. These videos are all about bringing more athiests to there side and trying to make it look good.

[Rasta_Man]

Originally Posted by Smigs

Absolute bullshit. God doesnt have the time to answere every prayer. Some get answered and some dont. Its not a wait. These videos are all about bringing more athiests to there side and trying to make it look good.

Why is god restrained by meager time?

I thought he was omnipotent? space and time are just an aspect of our mortal universe.

I mean if he created our universe in 6 days, than he'd have no problem dealing with a meager several billion prayers. Slice of cake for an omnipotent being.