Anarchy found in nature.

[Easy-Bake]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0611154001.htm

Bees have now been shown to operate without a central leader. Can humanity do the same?

[Rasta_Man]

Originally Posted by Easy-Bake

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0611154001.htm

Bees have now been shown to operate without a central leader. Can humanity do the same?

No, because history shows an innate trend of exploitation in human nature.

besides, you'll note that the bee don't operate without a central leader indefinitely.

[Easy-Bake]

Can't even bat the idea around eh? Try smoking some more or something; either that or take some anti-depressants cuz you seem to be in a worse mood now. And you'll note upon reading it again that they haven't found any central leader.

Now, what if society was organized in a way where everyones' needs were met-- leaving no room for corruption. Could people be educated well enough so that they wouldn't have as many selfish desires?

[Standard]

I dont know if its possible to not have a chief?
Its a good subject though. I believe that if there were no leader, it would only be a matter of time before one person stood heads above everyone else.
Its like going to a party where all your best friends are, There is always one friend at the party that seems to get the majority of the attention. In time, in a group, he/she would become the one everyone followed.

[CH3VELLE]

Originally Posted by Easy-Bake

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0611154001.htm

Bees have now been shown to operate without a central leader. Can humanity do the same?

how are we doing right now? not so good with central leaders.

and im not just talking about the situation in america, but the whole world in general.

[Rasta_Man]

Originally Posted by Easy-Bake

Can't even bat the idea around eh? Try smoking some more or something; either that or take some anti-depressants cuz you seem to be in a worse mood now.

Neg rep, because I'm sick of this Ad hominem crap. You called me a 'total dick' in the other thread for agreeing with you.

Now, what if society was organized in a way where everyones' needs were met-- leaving no room for corruption. Could people be educated well enough so that they wouldn't have as many selfish desires?

Sure, but that is wishful thinking and only achievable over a great deal of time and vast social and economic change. That will take thousands of years of further human development to come anywhere close and is currently impractical.

What is more is that we don't even appear to be on a trend towards that. Corruption and the innate exploitation of other seems to be a fundamental concept in human nature.

True altruism does not exist.

[Easy-Bake]

Ad hominem is when someone bases their argument solely against the the other person instead of their argument. You also were wrong about them having a central intelligence-- which is what I said as my argument. What I said at first was because most people don't like it when someone just says No to their argument without giving much detail.

And to me it didn't seem like agreeing; it seemed more like a smug off-topic comment.

Anyways, true it would probably take at least one hundred years at the very best, but I just want to know what it would be like to have a human society that does not have a central government. It hasn't worked out well in the past, but is there anything that could be done to make it work? Maybe if everyone was a part of a government(proper education would be a must) with communication as fast as it is, people could know what needs to be done and react timely. Hmm but that would probably require all materials to be rationed and would run into Communism at some point though. Any more ideas(I just woke up a lil while ago)?

[stneod]

So this proves it, anarchy would work....... if we were all mindless drones.

Not to mention this is bullshit anyway, everything in nature is governed by laws.

With animals the law is you get eaten by whats bigger than you, and thats really the principal reason people have law. Animals have no sense of justice, you do what you have to do to live.

But humans are different we can establish government to maintain peace and order, to make sure all of our needs are satisfied, to give us a say in how our country is run.

[stneod]

ps....

arent all the bee's like dead now or something

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=9213661

[Rasta_Man]

major colony activities are initiated by the cumulative group actions of the colony's older workers, not by the queen's individual decision.

older workers gave signals to the queen and to the rest of the colony that it was time to swarm and leave the hive.

we have centralized systems of control. But bee colony systems of control are very different -- they are totally de-centralized."

Instead, the colony appears to be controlled by the anonymous consensus of the colony's workers.

Social interactions, environmental pressures or group dynamics in some still-unknown way initiate a string of behaviors that effectively manage complex group activities.

Hmmm... very interesting.

What's anarchy mean again?

Noun

anarchy (countable and uncountable; plural anarchies)

1. The state of a society being without authoritarians or a governing body.
2. A chaotic and confusing absence of any form of political authority or government.
3. Anarchism; the political theory that a community is best organized by voluntary cooperation of individuals, rather than by coercive government.
4. confusion in general; disorder

That's right!

perhaps this could work better?

Noun

democracy (plural democracies)

1. Rule by the people.
2. (government) A government under the direct or representative rule of the people of its jurisdiction.
3. Belief in political freedom and equality.

[Palmer Eldritch]

thats just crazy talk

[Gods_Sun08]

I agree with the world not needing a central goverment it would be way beter than it is

today.But don't get me wrong there would still be righteousness and order,but the

people would control it.


Heres my example of the goverment...Make believe theres a system already in place

like lets say streams and rivers,they all empty out in the ocean right.But what the

goverment does is reverse the process so they get all the water...Ya dig.


Eventually the ocean will dry out cause those greedy suckers want it all to themselves.

So thats how they make money selling the water back to the people that did'nt even

belong to them in the first place...They just took it....

[rumandromanism]

Anarchy in human society will NEVER work because of human nature. Too many people believe in the capitalistic system of monetary value, and would never give these traditions up. Also, there wouldn't be cooperation because not 100% of the global/national community would want to participate. It's just a utopian thought.

[Easy-Bake]

Rasta there are 3 types of Anarchy: Naive, Militant, and Theoretical. Militant is when the government is seen as oppressive and needs to be stripped from power. Naive Anarchy(wonder why it's called that? ) is when it is believed that people can live without a government. Theoretical Anarchy(which is what bees may fall into since they don't vote) is when a government is seen to have little worth-- it has its uses such as an army, but for the main part it is unnecessary.

And for those who may have a mislead definition of Anarchy-- a true Anarchy with no control whatsoever is, of course, not going to ever happen. Anarchy does not imply chaos; it implies no central control(like a Democracy, except without necessarily the official voting).

It is all utopian thought; I just thought it would be an interesting topic of discussion.

[anarkin]

I thought the whole queen bee deal made bees a monarchy type deal?

Anarchy requires two things to properly work: lack of greed, and equality. The human race happens to be gifted with large amounts of greed, and the want to rise above and become better than others.

We would have to take many large steps backwards to make anarchy a reasonable option, getting rid of not only the government and capital system, but religion and alot of our current traditions and ideas as well. The whole practice would eventually prove pointless though, as people would struggle for power as soon as true anarchy was in place. They would build armies for protection and rally supporters of their cause, which would eventually lead us back to where we are now.