Prostitution?

[Zylark]

What is it? Good or bad? You could ask what is love, but that is not the subject here. Mere sexual release from the male point of view. As males often have somewhat more sexual drive than women.

How is it wrong for females to capitalize on this need? Do we have a warped sense of sexuality that fallaciously demand a love relationship before sex? Where if so do that demand come from?

Do prostitution lead to slavery? If so why and what can be done.

I'm just asking questions, I got no real answers. I believe in liberty, and as such that everyone should do as they want. However I also realize that prostitution is not quite the first choice for a given career. On the contrary. But should last resort be illegal? Or immoral? Why should government care?

[Budder81]

Goventment cares for several reasons. First, alot of people would suffer and die due to STD's, that would result in less tax money. SO, they make some posters and commercials about STD's and how sex is bad, NOW they look like they're doing something productive. Population goes up, tax revenue is good.

To me, there are girls I would want to keep forever, and there are girls who's only purpose was to be my sperm dumpster. Sex is a biological function, it's one of things we were built to do, why the fuck make it a crime or shameful? Thats like making farting in public a misdameanor.

[chronictoker]

Originally Posted by Zylark

What is it? Good or bad? You could ask what is love, but that is not the subject here. Mere sexual release from the male point of view. As males often have somewhat more sexual drive than women.

How is it wrong for females to capitalize on this need? Do we have a warped sense of sexuality that fallaciously demand a love relationship before sex? Where if so do that demand come from?

Do prostitution lead to slavery? If so why and what can be done.

I'm just asking questions, I got no real answers. I believe in liberty, and as such that everyone should do as they want. However I also realize that prostitution is not quite the first choice for a given career. On the contrary. But should last resort be illegal? Or immoral? Why should government care?

There is some "good" in it I think, but it would be hard to describe it.

I don't think males have a higher sex drive, just a different one...

There are male prostitutes as well as female and intersex prostitutes even...

[Zylark]

Originally Posted by chronictoker

I don't think males have a higher sex drive, just a different one...

There are male prostitutes as well as female and intersex prostitutes even...

Yes and yes. And I'm not arguing that. I'm just asking if it is somehow immoral to sell sex, and if so why? And in furtherance, should it be made illegal and on what basis?

I know I'm parroting a liberal stance here by just asking the question. Not my intention at all. I am at an actual dilemma. In this regard I do not know where personal freedom ends and social responsibility starts.

In a perfect world, no-one would need to prostitute themselves. That is, unless they got some expensive drug habit, but them about that. And I do not like the concept. Yet it is the "oldest" occupation, and I do not see it disappearing for a while.

So what to do? Accept and let live, or go moral? Mkay, that was not a neutral question, but anyhow. Who are we to judge?

[mhughes]

I dont think the STD argument is particularly valid...
if it was government regulated there would be established brothels and the girls could be tested and guys forced to wear condoms.

The moral question is very intriguing. If the argument is selling your body for money, than why are things like donating plasma for $ is ok, but selling sex isnt?
However, if the moral argument is grounded in the morality of casual sex, thats a very personal argument.
Not much warrant for either side of whether or not casual sex is moral or not

[chronictoker]

Meh, who cares if it's moral or not? The bottom line is there is no victim. If there is no victim there is no crime....except a social one. And society is not greater than personal freedom.

[Zylark]

Is prostitution really a victimless "crime"? There is a lot of very well documented cases of human-trade whereupon girls are basicallly slaves to some pimp. Especially with regards to so-called illegal immigrants and other non-nationals.

If they are forced (as is evident in most cases) to sell sex, then ofcourse that should be illegal in my opinion. No-one should be forced to anything, much less prostitute themselves.

But what of those that do so willingly. Do they exist? There is money involved, so I would imagine some do capitalize on it. But the information is lacking. At least here. Maybe in more open societies there is more research that can enlighten us and the effect.

Nonetheless, where it is voluntary, I cannot quite see the reason to ban it. You could argue that it is demeaning, but isn't being unemployed also demeaning? Or working flipping burgers for change and a buck an hour?

I'm in a conflict here, I cannot make up my mind.

[bluewoods]

I think prostitution should be legalized. What other natural talent or ability is made illegal? Most women sell the pussy anyway, it is just the form of payment that varies.

[bluewoods]

Originally Posted by Zylark

Is prostitution really a victimless "crime"? There is a lot of very well documented cases of human-trade whereupon girls are basicallly slaves to some pimp. Especially with regards to so-called illegal immigrants and other non-nationals.

If they are forced (as is evident in most cases) to sell sex, then ofcourse that should be illegal in my opinion. No-one should be forced to anything, much less prostitute themselves.

But what of those that do so willingly. Do they exist? There is money involved, so I would imagine some do capitalize on it. But the information is lacking. At least here. Maybe in more open societies there is more research that can enlighten us and the effect.

Nonetheless, where it is voluntary, I cannot quite see the reason to ban it. You could argue that it is demeaning, but isn't being unemployed also demeaning? Or working flipping burgers for change and a buck an hour?

I'm in a conflict here, I cannot make up my mind.

Prostitues do not need pimps. That is a load of horse shit. The most they need is a well run whorehouse with bouncers to deal with any clients that get out of hand. Pimping should be illegal. Either put up or shut up.

[mhughes]

About girls doing it willingly- I read a study that was done in 2003, sorry i cant find it now, that there is an interesting move towards "middle-class" prostitutes. And that the stereotypical girl becoming a prostitute because they are druggies and from broken homes isnt necessarily true. In fact, many are coming from ordinary, middle-class homes and just choose that "profession"
THe study went on to include things like girls gone wild and the editions of playboy like "Girls of the SEC, Big Ten, etc"
Makes you think why would these young, educated, mid-class women want to objectify themselves?

However, i live close enuff to orlando and spent enough time in Miami to kno there is a def problem, in Miami def. there are very young girls prostituting.

Again i simply havent heard a compelling argument for either side of the legalization debate. However, i dont see any way of eliminating prostitution; so why not legalize it, create a much safer and cleaner environment for the prostitutes. THe govt could institute a "sales tax" on it. It would allow for decent management of the prostitutes and brothel, instead of them having to deal with pimps on the streets

[Maitereya]

theres a legal brothel near las vegas, the bunny ranch.

i cant even think of a good argument for having prostution illegal. morality maybe, but still that a pointless argument. no one is being forced to sell their bodies and no one is being forced to buy them.

im 100% for legal prostution

[Liquidtruth]

I see no moral issue with prostitution. I do not think it exploits anyone involved. Keeping it illegal only increases the risk, if it were legal the industry could be regulated and there could be health standards. A pimp would not be able to "own" a girl, if prostitution were legal. In fact, if it were legal all the power would be in the hands of the girls who are offering their services. They would be free to switch companies (brothels, whatever) when ever they wished, just like anyone else working in any legal business.

White slavery is not prostitution, it is slavery and does not enter the equation. It is bad. It needs to be stopped. Legalizing prostitution would go a long way to end it. If you were looking for a prostitute, would you go to the legal brothel, or some shady-ass-underground-slave pit? Obviously it would be the legal brothel, because it is not promoting slavery, and it would probably be easier to find. It is just like the war on drugs, keeping it (prostitution) illegal does more harm than good.

[TheRoeBiz]

Originally Posted by Zylark

Is prostitution really a victimless "crime"? There is a lot of very well documented cases of human-trade whereupon girls are basicallly slaves to some pimp. Especially with regards to so-called illegal immigrants and other non-nationals.

If they are forced (as is evident in most cases) to sell sex, then of course that should be illegal in my opinion. No-one should be forced to anything, much less prostitute themselves.

But what of those that do so willingly. Do they exist? There is money involved, so I would imagine some do capitalize on it. But the information is lacking. At least here. Maybe in more open societies there is more research that can enlighten us and the effect.

Nonetheless, where it is voluntary, I cannot quite see the reason to ban it. You could argue that it is demeaning, but isn't being unemployed also demeaning? Or working flipping burgers for change and a buck an hour?

I'm in a conflict here, I cannot make up my mind.

I highly doubt that there would be the same type of 'pimp' if it were legalized. Not that I think its a good thing but in a free society people must be allowed to do as they choose. Freedom in NOT bred through legislation people, legislation is what hampers freedom. Legislation should only exist to aid people in freedom, I would understand having rules on std checks but not on eliminating a lifestyle.

Let's pretend for a moment that prostitution is legalized, one brothel tests there women for stds on a regular basis and brothel two doesn't care. Which business would be successful? Freedom is the right to live in the manor you choose. To say that prostitution is the cause for a human slave trade is like saying that dope is the cause of dope fiends or guns are the cause of killings, that's not how it works. It's impossible to remove temptation, all you can do is learn to live with it in the best way possible.

Liquid put it very well.

[chiefMOJOrisin]

In my opinion, prostitution can't be a victimless crime because it isnt a crime. although technically, obviously where it is outlawed, it is a crime. besides the unfortunate ones who are forced into the trade.... they jumped into the job on thier own.

Having said that.... i think it should be known that females (and males) have used thier sexual prowess to gain what they needed to survive all thoughout history. I find it hard to believe that Cleopatra never used a seductive voice or chose strategic hand placements to pursuade someone into her corner. and i personally think its far fetched to think situations like that never amounted to intercourse. simply for political or personal gains. or just to get laid. shit, alexander the great was half gay. more than the colin ferrel movie portrays.

That example isn't the text book definition of prostitution..... however, the definitions dont come from the air. these definitions, laws and literature are a product of the time they were written. back when in history, if something was immoral, it was a crime. and the 2 didnt stray from each other. now a days, our central system of government is immoral. yet, laws created in a time when one religion was the "correct" one and the good old u.s. of a. could do now wrong..... still stand today while being overlooked.

prostitution isn't a crime.... however that does not mean it is a victimless act. leaving the pimps out of the conversation to steer clear from the obvious..... the girls putting themselves on the street (most of them) have gone through many other options, hardships and many hard self decisions before they get out there with their ass in the air. a huge amount of them are victims of real crime before they get out there. rape, child abuse, drug addiction... etc....

it may sound ludacris.... but atleast the hookers are going out and doing something with what they have. i'm not sayin that hookin is thier only option... cuz for some, i'm sure, they have family that cares and oppourtunities to perhaps go to a community school or whatever. i just think that there should be a lot more consideration and thought put into the whole situation. excluding the sluts who do it cuz they like sex and the money is a perk.

and hey... when it comes down to it.... they're just doing what every animal on earth has the instinctual drive to do. fuck. humans are the only animal that (stupidly) gets one mate for our whole lives (other animals choose one mate as well... but at least they fuck) and go throught the whole bullshit of courtship, getting to know each other, marriage and all the other bullshit. a human male who cheats on his wife is only fulfilling his instinctual and natural urge to reproduce. in nature... males want to spread thier seed to as many females as he can to ensure his sperm makes it into adulthood to ensure the survival of his species and to diminish the risk of inbreeding.

since the law leads us to believe that the natural act of sex is immoral, i think prostitutes are doing a fine community service. the only reason they ask for money is because they know we'll pay!! if way back when a president decided he liked hoes and then legalized them everywhere... the market would fall out and everyone would be able to fuck for free. without the bullshit and baggage of wives and girlfriends.

FREE THE HOOKERS!!!!

[mrblonde77]

Prostitution is a sticky subject (pun intended ) because there are health concerns involved. STD's can easily get out of control - look at Africa. We definitely don't want to put our country in a position that could potentially lead to such a situation, but we also don't want to limit people's freedoms. Afterall, it is THEIR body, they should be able to do whatever the fuck they want. I think that in order to be a prostitute you should have to be tested for STD's every 2 weeks or once a month or some regular time period. If you test positive, you should still be allowed to whore yourself out, but it should be law that you must make all STD's obviously known before the sex starts. This way people with AIDS can sleep with other AIDS victims too. Who's to say they can't? It's kinda like http://positivedating.com lmfao. Good thread.