Evolution is FACT

[Liquidtruth]

Lately, though I guess it has really been going on all along, people have been going on and on about Evolution being incorrect, or a matter of belief. In this thread I will post links to evidence that support The Theory of Evolution as well as the opposing view point. Feel free to add to the discussion. (Note: Members who have slow Internet connections may have issues with speed in this thread)

In Support of Evolution:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

http://www.nap.edu/html/creationism/evidence.html
[web]http://www.nap.edu/html/creationism/evidence.html[/web]




Against Evolution:

(video originally shared by Zylark Here)

glumbert.com

(video originally shared by Skywalker Here)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design
[web]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design[/web]

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Quite frankly I am not sure why people have such a hard time accepting evidence and fact and instead do their best to ignore it. Evolution is Fact, plain and simple.

Theory: Theory, hypothesis are used in non-technical contexts to mean an untested idea or opinion. A theory in technical use is a more or less verified or established explanation accounting for known facts or phenomena: the theory of relativity. A hypothesis is a conjecture put forth as a possible explanation of phenomena or relations, which serves as a basis of argument or experimentation to reach the truth.

[Smigs]

I myself go with creationism, but in the sense of evolution we could of just found out God's way or if you believe higher power way of creating life.

[Liquidtruth]

If we were created, then obviously evolution and natural selection are simply tools used to populate the universe with life. But there is no evidence to suggest that such a creator was sitting around fine tuning this or that to bring about anything specific. There is no solid evidence that there is even a creator. While I do believe it is possible, I cannot argue that it is certainty, because at this point it is impossible to know that.

[Graffix78]

Too many people don't understand scientific theory. They have probably never heard of the Theory of gravity or how we wouldn't be able to venture into space or put up satellites that give them their TV and Internet service without the "theory" of relativity.

Arguing with this level of ignorance with no desire to know the truth is tiresome.

[cannabis]

Being a former Christain Liquid you should know that you can post all the 'facts' you want about the theory of Evolution, and you're still not going to convince anyone that there isn't a God.

You're one of the few people I've always been on the same page with in this forum. I hope you find whatever you're looking for bro.



stay positive

[Liquidtruth]

Originally Posted by cannabis

Being a former Christain Liquid you should know that you can post all the 'facts' you want about the theory of Evolution, and you're still not going to convince anyone that there isn't a God.

I am not trying to convince anyone that there is no God. It would be an odd position for me to take. I can admit that it is impossible to prove, but that does not mean I am trying to tell people to stop believing in God. Knowing that the theory of evolution is a fact does not mean you cannot believe in God. As I said, if there is a creator (something which I do believe is very possible, enough for me to believe that there is in fact one) then evolution is simply a process which was used by said creator. Even as a Christian I believed in the fact that is Evolution.

My inability to argue something as certainty, and my wish to make clear the the amount of evidence for a creator, is no indication that I wish for people to throw away their beliefs. Again, not trying to disprove God, I am simply stating a fact. Evolution is a fact.

Originally Posted by cannabis

You're one of the few people I've always been on the same page with in this forum. I hope you find whatever you're looking for bro.

That is one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me!

[Rasta_Man]

I really dig your take on it, Liquid.

If somebody said that to me, AND that they believed in a creator God; I'd have nothing against them.

You call it God, I call it natural processes, it's the same thing.

[Ars moriendi]

fuck me running...where in THIS thread does he state anything about convincing anyone of anything? he's done nothing more than provide links for those who wish to read

this is exactly why I'm done responding to the crap churned up in the other thread...it's hardly a debate when one side refuses to discuss things instead opting to assume shit load questions or take things out of context

edit - lil late on responding...but yeesh it's getting old

[Liquidtruth]

In case no one read through the first article I posted, I thought I would add this seeing how it is very relevant to what we are discussing and what some people seem to feel is a solid idea.

Originally Posted by http://www.nap.edu/html/creationism/evidence.html

Special creationists argue that "no one has seen evolution occur." This misses the point about how science tests hypotheses. We don't see Earth going around the sun or the atoms that make up matter. We "see" their consequences. Scientists infer that atoms exist and Earth revolves because they have tested predictions derived from these concepts by extensive observation and experimentation.

Furthermore, on a minor scale, we "experience" evolution occurring every day. The annual changes in influenza viruses and the emergence of antibiotic-resistant bacteria are both products of evolutionary forces. Indeed, the rapidity with which organisms with short generation times, such as bacteria and viruses, can evolve under the influence of their environments is of great medical significance. Many laboratory experiments have shown that, because of mutation and natural selection, such microorganisms can change in specific ways from those of immediately preceding generations.

And as Rasta_Man posted in another thread.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

In science, a theory is a mathematical or logical explanation, or a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise falsified through empirical observation. It follows from this that for scientists "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theory which explains why the apple behaves so is the current theory of gravitation.

So this importance people seem to place on the idea that the Theory of Evolution is just a theory, makes no logical sense and is derived from a misunderstanding of what a scientific theory is. That, is also a fact.

Originally Posted by Rasta_Man

I really dig your take on it, Liquid.

If somebody said that to me, AND that they believed in a creator God; I'd have nothing against them.

You call it God, I call it natural processes, it's the same thing.

I allow for the possibility of a creator being a consciousness (either a singular one, or multiple as in many beings (could even be people in some other universe )), or simply a natural process with no intellect at all. We do not understand enough yet to make a definitive statement. Currently, I am on the side of a consciousness (singular), but I am not so married to that idea that I would ignore evidence as it arrives.

[Rasta_Man]

Well, Liquid, if you're right, then this consciousness is gonna get an ass-whopping when I pass into the afterlife.

[CH3VELLE]

yes, liquid, you're indeed correct. your point i may ask?

i believe in both creationism and evolutionism to an extent.

at the same time, the relationship with science and spirituality is the same.

[dynasty]

who better to argue evolution than carl sagan? very nice videos and articles.

the "fairy tale" video is kind of funny. i guess the creationists never heard the various scientific ideas of how life arose on earth?

[AlphaQ]

Originally Posted by dynasty

who better to argue evolution than carl sagan? very nice videos and articles.

the "fairy tale" video is kind of funny. i guess the creationists never heard the various scientific ideas of how life arose on earth?

I guess they aren't quite as misinformed as those that belong to the Flat Earth Society. How one can think the earth is flat when you can see the curvature from an airplane is beyond me.

Perhaps ignorance is bliss?

[Auto Rock]

Originally Posted by Ars moriendi

fuck me running...where in THIS thread does he state anything about convincing anyone of anything? he's done nothing more than provide links for those who wish to read

this is exactly why I'm done responding to the crap churned up in the other thread...it's hardly a debate when one side refuses to discuss things instead opting to assume shit load questions or take things out of context

edit - lil late on responding...but yeesh it's getting old

It's so cute that you don't see the ignorance in your own statement.

[Mase-o]

I don't understand why people can't accept both evolution and God. God created all matter, energy, time, space, ect. Life is simply a by product of an extreamly complex chemical reaction. God gave us the laws of nature and reality; we simply got lucky because now we, as beings, have the capacity to realize this.

Oh, and the penut butter video was hilarious ROFL.