Do you believe in Utopia?

[Liquidtruth]

Originally Posted by Hit That Shit

You have to be kidding me. The man with Aristotle himself in his sig, is going to tell me that this site, put together by some fucking kids, holds all the truths to the world.



Just quit now guys. According to this "logic", we should kill ourselves now, because the world is doomed to end some day. And you know what? Those people who killed themselves because they believed a spaceship was coming to get them (while everyone else in the world took out their telescope to see what was really happening, a pretty comet...) were revolutionaries in comparison to some of this bullshit.

Yeah, I mentioned the site holds all the truths in the world. That is EXACTLY what I said... Word for word even. I am fully aware that Exit Mundi is used mainly for fun, I have been going there for a long time. I even used a simley!

Of course, just because that site is for fun doesn't mean every single scenario listed there is an impossibility that could never occur. A good deal of them are quite possible. A great deal more could happen, but only in the movies.

And I suggest you re-read the Aristotle quote... You don't seem to be getting it.

EDIT: Also, the site was not put together by some "fucking kids". Perhaps you should read the site before you pass your holier-than-thou judgment upon it. And if you do not like Exit Mundi saying it, how about Stephen Hawking?

[Hit That Shit]

Stephen Hawking is simply saying we should go to space, not to explore it, but because we're doomed here. He's just fear-mongering, just like George Bush does when he tells you the "terr'sts are comin' ta getcha!" Or Al Gore when he says California will be under water in a matter of decades, meanwhile he's trying to cook a bagel in his 20,000 sqr-ft house that uses more electricity a year than I do in a lifetime.

As for Aristotle, not every thought is worth entertaining. The mark of a TRUE educated man is knowing the difference between something PROBABLE and something LUDICROUS. The KEY to learning something is knowing what you NEED TO KNOW and what the BULLSHIT is. Just ask your snRNPs.

[Zylark]

Originally Posted by Hit That Shit

Stephen Hawking is simply saying we should go to space, not to explore it, but because we're doomed here. He's just fear-mongering

Not so much fear mongering as hedging the bet. Settling other planets is a relatively cheap insurance policy against some possible (but not necessarily likely) disasterous event.

There are no good reasons not to spread ourselves around a bit (and take a piece of earth biology with us). There are currently practical restrictions, but human ingenuity have a tendency to work out solutions.

[Hit That Shit]

Originally Posted by Zylark

Not so much fear mongering as hedging the bet. Settling other planets is a relatively cheap insurance policy against some possible (but not necessarily likely) disasterous event.

There are no good reasons not to spread ourselves around a bit (and take a piece of earth biology with us). There are currently practical restrictions, but human ingenuity have a tendency to work out solutions.

Relatively cheap? What is cheap about space? It costs nearly half a billion dollars just to send a little rover to Mars. And don't think for a second that our government, or any other government, is willing to shell out a few extra billion bucks to the space programs (believe me, I wish they would). Countries like China have a chance with their incredibly booming economy (which, if you've been paying attention to the news, has a formidable grip on OUR economy). Meanwhile over here, we can barely keep the value of the dollar up in comparison to the Euro because of our political/economic/"diplomatic" "interests".

I'm studying to be a scientist, so I'm all for exploring outer space. It's a phenomenon that cannot be ignored. Unfortunately, the world is run by a different group of people, and they control where the money goes. Until then, the rest of us will just have to wait and see how the 2011 Mars mission goes.

[phiegnux]

utopia is unatainable. what the trancendentalists (Thoreau, Emerson, Hawthorn) were striving for in the 19th century often sounded like a utopian society. what i think they really wanted was a general calm achieved from realising natural, pastoral beauty. at times it seemed they set their sights to high, because to me, utopia is a dream (a nice one). what i think is more likely reachable is an edenistic society, the kind described in terrence mckennas literatue, often called "paradise"

[420Grower420]

I believe we are made to never be fully happy... maybe one day when we control everything within the universe inculdingour brains, we can figure out what makes us happy and we will be happy all the time, but Im not sure I want to live in such a world... sut doesnt seem right and maybe God has set things in action to make sure we never get there, ie a meteor in 2012 or yellowstone destroying the earth in 2012...

[pavlakos]

Originally Posted by weedypowerpuff

I agree. But what if there were a belief held by some mis lead undividuals that if we rid ourselves of our sick, old, poor, and reduced the poulation drastically in general, that it would be possible to create a society that would be worldwide under one rule under one judge and one religion. Security would have to be tight and a big brother type situation would have to be implemented. What if?

Do you think anyone in the 21 st century thinks that way?

i think there is a group of 'elites' with a very similar mindset. like george bush sr said: 'we can now see a new world order, coming into view.'
on top of it the plans are written in stone ( georgia guidestones), and although the outcome of the plans seems quite utopian, it will be at the cost of billions of human lives, and that in itself is not quite utopian.

Originally Posted by hit that shit

Unfortunately, the world is run by a different group of people, and they control where the money goes.

you aknowledge this and yet deny the possiblity of NWO? how convenient would it be to use such a power as you stated, for an agenda which is quite apparent? but these people who control the world...they wouldnt do that...

and as for using nukes....haha, why? why use nukes when you could kill everyone with a virus leaving the nations wealth in tact?

[blueend]

do i believe in utopia?
not really. each persons utopia is diffrent. so utopia cant exist while being the same to all.

[tea.mochi]

I believe that once we stop trying to seperate ourselves from eachother and attempting to de/value eachother's/our lives with the concept of money, we will know Utopia.

[CosmicSerpent]

No way do I believe in utopia. Human nature is too flawed

[pavlakos]

how can anybody say what true human nature is? humans in each generation act the way society tells them to act. i feel strongly it is human nature to peaceful, loving, harmonious, and maybe even high

[Tical00]

No one can say exactly what human nature is cause it changes so constantly!

But to the OP, cause I haven't had a chance to respond, I would more love to be in a disutopia than a utopia.
I would love to be the man to challenge shit.

[bkadoctaj]

Originally Posted by Tical00

No one can say exactly what human nature is cause it changes so constantly!

But to the OP, cause I haven't had a chance to respond, I would more love to be in a disutopia than a utopia.
I would love to be the man to challenge shit.

I would rep you but I can't give anymore today. I got it.

[CosmicSerpent]

Originally Posted by Tical00

No one can say exactly what human nature is cause it changes so constantly!

How has it ever changed? Do you mean it changes, as in throughout the history of our species, or on an individual level? Because I firmly believe that human nature hasn't changed at all over the course of our existence. We always create conflict, we always view the world in an "us vs. them" manner. And again, I'm not talking about one individual person, I'm talking groups of people. It is impossible for a population of humans to coexist peacefully without eventually plotting against each other, or being overtaken by another population. That's the way it's been in all of recorded history at least. The persistence of ignorance, greed, aggression and everything else related has only confirmed this... these things will always persist because different people will always have different levels of morals/values, or lack thereof. Also, unless we create some kind of global culture that's uniform all over the planet, people will have conflicting interests.

Ever read William Golding's "Lord of the Flies" or Stephen King's "The Mist"? Perfect fictionalized/idealized examples of why human nature is flawed and utopia is ultimately impossible.

[bkadoctaj]

Originally Posted by CosmicSerpent

How has it ever changed? Do you mean it changes, as in throughout the history of our species, or on an individual level? Because I firmly believe that human nature hasn't changed at all over the course of our existence. We always create conflict, we always view the world in an "us vs. them" manner. And again, I'm not talking about one individual person, I'm talking groups of people. It is impossible for a population of humans to coexist peacefully without eventually plotting against each other, or being overtaken by another population. That's the way it's been in all of recorded history at least. The persistence of ignorance, greed, aggression and everything else related has only confirmed this... these things will always persist because different people will always have different levels of morals/values, or lack thereof. Also, unless we create some kind of global culture that's uniform all over the planet, people will have conflicting interests.

Ever read William Golding's "Lord of the Flies" or Stephen King's "The Mist"? Perfect fictionalized/idealized examples of why human nature is flawed and utopia is ultimately impossible.

Ever read in Mencius why human nature is innately good? We all know inside right from wrong.