size. acid realization.

[blackdahlia515]

I thought of this on acid. Look at a model drawing of the solar system, with the planets' patterns of orbit, the rings, with the sun in the middle. Take that picture, put it next to a model of an atom, notice they look very similar. Our solar system could be an atom in a much bigger piece of matter. Scientists have proven that a great deal of the space taken up by atoms is empty space between the nucleus and surrounding electrons etc. I reasoned that if we are an atom, with "outer space" being the space between the atoms, and the other stars being the other atoms, making up a larger piece of matter. I have also figured that if the first two theories are true, then matter would go into smaller pieces too would it not? If we are an atom, part of a bigger piece, and we are a universe, then isn't an atom part of a much smaller universe? The existance of matter never ends.

[joo]

interesting thought, but if we were electrons orbiting a nucleus then we would be appearing and reapearing at random

[Perception]

I don't think he's saying we're electrons, I think he's saying that our solar system is an atom, meaning we'd be something smaller than electrons (quarks, most likely). However, I understand what you're saying. If the solar system were an atom, then electrons would shoot off and ionize other atoms all the time. At the same time, though, I agree that there is something bigger that we're a part of. LSD lets you see this greater oneness, if only at a passing glance.

[stneod]

Originally Posted by joo

interesting thought, but if we were electrons orbiting a nucleus then we would be appearing and reapearing at random

Do you mean like what happens with black holes every day?

What Perception Just Said \/ \/ \/ \/
I don't think he's saying we're electrons, I think he's saying that our solar system is an atom, meaning we'd be something smaller than electrons (quarks, most likely). However, I understand what you're saying. If the solar system were an atom, then electrons would shoot off and ionize other atoms all the time. At the same time, though, I agree that there is something bigger that we're a part of. LSD lets you see this greater oneness, if only at a passing glance.rotating through a galaxy

My quote f'd up sry.

Anyway i just think its crazy how much symetry there is around us, the universe is just one big trippy rotating pattern.

[thegreenfairy]

i don't think the solar system would have directly paralell an atom for it to be a valid idea. as for things appearing and reappearing - maybe it doesn't happen so clean cut - time being relative - maybe we just can't measure or observe the details yet. if u consider how long it takes the planets to orbit - and how fast electrons move - it's almost like us looking at another dimension to look at an atom.

for all we know we are on an electron in an atom in a molecule in a dried up speck of hooker spit in a red roof inn which exists only for a few hours before the hotel maid washes the sheets.

[Perception]

Originally Posted by thegreenfairy

i don't think the solar system would have directly paralell an atom for it to be a valid idea. as for things appearing and reappearing - maybe it doesn't happen so clean cut - time being relative - maybe we just can't measure or observe the details yet. if u consider how long it takes the planets to orbit - and how fast electrons move - it's almost like us looking at another dimension to look at an atom.

for all we know we are on an electron in an atom in a molecule in a dried up speck of hooker spit in a red roof inn which exists only for a few hours before the hotel maid washes the sheets.

Ahh, very true. I suppose our relative time and lifespan could be a very small amount of someone else's relative time system. I do believe I've been swayed, and I intend to ponder this tonight while in the grass if you know what I mean. Haha

Peace

[blackdahlia515]

Originally Posted by thegreenfairy

i don't think the solar system would have directly paralell an atom for it to be a valid idea. as for things appearing and reappearing - maybe it doesn't happen so clean cut - time being relative - maybe we just can't measure or observe the details yet. if u consider how long it takes the planets to orbit - and how fast electrons move - it's almost like us looking at another dimension to look at an atom.

for all we know we are on an electron in an atom in a molecule in a dried up speck of hooker spit in a red roof inn which exists only for a few hours before the hotel maid washes the sheets.

presicely what i'm saying. not necessarily a copy, but more of a scale replica I guess is how one would put it.


EDIT - also upon further pondering: splitting of an atom and nuclear radiation = supernova and whatever remains from it?

[blackdahlia515]

Originally Posted by Perception

I don't think he's saying we're electrons, I think he's saying that our solar system is an atom, meaning we'd be something smaller than electrons (quarks, most likely). However, I understand what you're saying. If the solar system were an atom, then electrons would shoot off and ionize other atoms all the time. At the same time, though, I agree that there is something bigger that we're a part of. LSD lets you see this greater oneness, if only at a passing glance.

Yeah, this entire realization happened in less than one second when i was at a crest of my trip. Blew my mind more so than any other piece of information i have ever comprehended in my life.

[Perception]

Originally Posted by blackdahlia515

Yeah, this entire realization happened in less than one second when i was at a crest of my trip. Blew my mind more so than any other piece of information i have ever comprehended in my life.

Just out of curiosity, how much did you do? I've done it twice now, and each time took a rather low dose. Haven't had any mind-altering realizations, but hopefully next time I will haha.

[blackdahlia515]

Originally Posted by Perception

Just out of curiosity, how much did you do? I've done it twice now, and each time took a rather low dose. Haven't had any mind-altering realizations, but hopefully next time I will haha.

2 blotter hits, i think it was pretty good cid not sure on the numbers though, guess you could say i tripped nuts. looked like this dude most of the time

[GeoTokeR]

Originally Posted by blackdahlia515

I thought of this on acid. Look at a model drawing of the solar system, with the planets' patterns of orbit, the rings, with the sun in the middle. Take that picture, put it next to a model of an atom, notice they look very similar. Our solar system could be an atom in a much bigger piece of matter. Scientists have proven that a great deal of the space taken up by atoms is empty space between the nucleus and surrounding electrons etc. I reasoned that if we are an atom, with "outer space" being the space between the atoms, and the other stars being the other atoms, making up a larger piece of matter. I have also figured that if the first two theories are true, then matter would go into smaller pieces too would it not? If we are an atom, part of a bigger piece, and we are a universe, then isn't an atom part of a much smaller universe? The existance of matter never ends.

You my friend, have just written my new religion. So shall i follow you and hate non-believers.

lol

but no, for real. That could totally make sence. Why couldnt it?

[blackdahlia515]

word. bump. blazed post.

[AlphaQ]

Very interesting and philosophical thinking! Matter is a strange thing indeed. Physicists have been able to determine that there are very large particles of matter called Bose-Einstein condensates which are made up of many atoms that occur at supercooled temperatures of less than a millionth of a degree above absolute 0. On the other hand, they have theorized incredibly tiny string-like particles that make up all matter and are roughly the size of the Planck length (1.6*10^-35 m). There is also dark matter and dark energy which is theorized to make up roughly 22% and 74% of the universe respectively. Thus only 4% of the universe is everything we can see. Very strange!

As far as the solar system being an atom, that is not really possible. For that to be true, the laws of quantum mechanics would have to apply to the solar system as they do for the atomic system. The most glaring problem in modern physics is trying to unite the laws of the very small (quantum mechanics and the atomic system) with that of the very large (gravity and solar systems).

In fact if we applied quantum mechanics to the earth-sun system we would have some very strange results. We would not be able to know where we are in the orbit (the time of year) and also know how fast we are moving around the sun at the same time. Which is absurd, we do know the time of year and speed of the earth.

Now if we model an electron as the earth, essentially a solid sphere, and apply the laws of classical physics that we use for the earth, we find that a point on the equator of the electron-sphere would move at 171 times the speed of light which is utter nonsense.

But don’t take it that I am saying you are completely wrong, quite the opposite actually. The solar system is comprised of the sun (analogous to nucleus) and the planets (analogous to electrons). The galaxy is then comprised of many of these systems. These systems have different amount of planets and different sizes of stars corresponding to different atomic weights. Galaxies in turn can comprise galaxy clusters. So you are correct in that the our solar system is like another building block of matter made of smaller parts but ultimately part of a larger “particle”.

[blackdahlia515]

Originally Posted by AlphaQ

Very interesting and philosophical thinking! Matter is a strange thing indeed. Physicists have been able to determine that there are very large particles of matter called Bose-Einstein condensates which are made up of many atoms that occur at supercooled temperatures of less than a millionth of a degree above absolute 0. On the other hand, they have theorized incredibly tiny string-like particles that make up all matter and are roughly the size of the Planck length (1.6*10^-35 m). There is also dark matter and dark energy which is theorized to make up roughly 22% and 74% of the universe respectively. Thus only 4% of the universe is everything we can see. Very strange!

As far as the solar system being an atom, that is not really possible. For that to be true, the laws of quantum mechanics would have to apply to the solar system as they do for the atomic system. The most glaring problem in modern physics is trying to unite the laws of the very small (quantum mechanics and the atomic system) with that of the very large (gravity and solar systems).

In fact if we applied quantum mechanics to the earth-sun system we would have some very strange results. We would not be able to know where we are in the orbit (the time of year) and also know how fast we are moving around the sun at the same time. Which is absurd, we do know the time of year and speed of the earth.

Now if we model an electron as the earth, essentially a solid sphere, and apply the laws of classical physics that we use for the earth, we find that a point on the equator of the electron-sphere would move at 171 times the speed of light which is utter nonsense.

But don’t take it that I am saying you are completely wrong, quite the opposite actually. The solar system is comprised of the sun (analogous to nucleus) and the planets (analogous to electrons). The galaxy is then comprised of many of these systems. These systems have different amount of planets and different sizes of stars corresponding to different atomic weights. Galaxies in turn can comprise galaxy clusters. So you are correct in that the our solar system is like another building block of matter made of smaller parts but ultimately part of a larger “particle”.

yeah i'm not very good at explaining my thoughts, but i know what i mean. i'm trying to say that the atom is a smaller building block, and system, but that does not make our solar system literally a really big atom, i mean more metaphorically i guess, as in our solar system is like....a larger unit of matter, a larger "block" or piece. that being said, i think there are smaller "atoms", blocks, or pieces(call it what you wish) inside of atoms, and larger ones that we are part of. This leads of course to me believing in the theories that we were created simply because of something larger, a larger chemical reaction perhaps, and we are its spawn. I believe in life beyond earth, if my above mentioned theories are correct, of course there will be other "atoms"(solar systems, galaxies, etc..) that support other forms of life. none of my information is proven or anything like that, merely my views.

[thegreenfairy]

i like that veiw of things just because i think our instinct is to see our state of being as the ultimate one - like our plane of existance is the result, and others the cause. maybe that wording doesn't make sense - but i like to remind myself that we may be an irrelevant part of a reality we are totally ignorant of.

in a way i think it makes me feel a little more at peace with things like somebody making fun of my peice of junk car - or saves me from beating myself up over my relative shortcomings. how much does it really matter? we're all just swirling around in the cosmos on a planet that may as well be a speck of dust - never mind my crappy car hitching a ride on it.

and on the flipside it keeps me inline about my accomplishments or anything. i'm just one of this funny animal on this funny little planet. nobody else of this group of these particular animals is going to remember me when they die - and even if any of them does - they are all going to die. my life will be relatively inconsequential. nothing to get a big ego about anyways.