Life in this universe, possibilities...religion..the TRUTH?

[llockhart86]

i posted this in a different thread, but i really put some thought into this and id like to know what some of you think about this. cuz honestly....its where my faith lies. possibilities. and its cuz, science fiction 60 years ago is todays nonfiction. and that could just keep happening.

I didnt read much of this thread, but i want to put my 2 cents in from what i read in the first couple statements.

um, i personally think the truth is NOT beyond words. I think the truth is something that we learn with time. The truth in my eyes is that we were put here by aliens. ha, sounds stupid. but when you look at ancient civilizations, i mean, there are temples built for 100 foot high men. and why would i say they were FOR 100 foot tall men? because of the drawings on the temple walls and pillars of a man looking up at a giant skinny man with a big head.

our ancient civilizations have written about flying objects in the sky and weird looking people that resemble what we know as an alien today. even in the bible, ancient scriptures could be looked at in a extratarestrial point of view.

um....or we just popped up and they guided us to where we are today.

however, i am thoroughly convinced that what the ancients called gods...were actually living beings...but they appeared as gods because, 3000+ years ago, a flying object could be nothing but the gods...what else would a flying piece of metal be?

anyways, i believe once we get to a certain point as a human race...and we know more and explore and search and do what we do best...name things and come up with theorys and such...eventually , again, this is just what i believe...but i think eventually, this world isnt going to be the only land you can explore. This planet is not all there is...

however, there are those of you who believe that when you die, you'll head off into heaven and meet god.

i just think christianity is only the next explination of what life is about...the first was the ancient egyptians...and their multigod format, then greece, and every other culture on the world...with time, we change our beliefs...we always have...and we always will...until we get actually proof one way or the other.

until then, expect to see a lot of religions in the future...cuz its human nature to try to figure out why we are here....humans have been seeking this answer for as long as we have been here. and with the turn of the new millenium, and technology and such, and the society that comes with those advancements...has lead to scientology. haha....there are more athiests today then there ever was. people are starting to think outside the box...and this is only the beginning.

i personally believe we are living in a time where, if we keep progressing as a human race for years and years and years....when we get to the year 4000...our time era is going to be the era where we go from searching for history on rocks...to just logging onto google and getting it in the matter of seconds. we'll never have to search for scriptures again.....if we dont kill ourselves as a race...then we will only continue to grow, and come up with different conclusions.

i mean, the ancient egyptians had rituals where they would kill 4 babies and put them in the 4 corners of the room of a tomb for a woman who had died. and these were for the gods.....and these people had faith in their religion wayyyyyy more than we do ours now-a-days...for the simple fact that life back then was solely dedicated to the gods...anyways...what im trying to get at is. we think of those rituals as crazy...and for the wrong god...and pointless...however, in a thousand years....when the earth believes in an entirely different god...how are they going to look at you? the christian? the muslim?

were going to be known as a race of silly religions until we found the truth.
we'll get there. we just have to get the people of the world on the right path.
especially americans.

cuz whats the goal of an average americans life? get as successful as possible, so you can bring in more money, so that you can have a wife and a house then have kids so that they can repeat the exact same thing you did...so that their kids can do it too....there is no actual goal for us humans. and i personally believe its religion that keeps us from advancing the way we should

as long as we live our lives expecting an afterlife...that there is no proof of...then we might not live our lives the way we should. we waste our time working and getting money and giving it back away that we forget that....the goal should be finding out the truth. but instead of investing money into science research, we invest it into war with another country...and all a war does hold a world of people in one place until its over.

if we were to take all the money weve invested into this war and spent it all on nasa research and technology...we'd be on mars...fly by jupiter.

Why do people think that everything beyond our atmosphere is not relevent? when really, if anything holds the key to the truth...ITS IN THE FUCKIN UNIVERSE. Stop waiting to go to the pearly gates men. cuz there is as much of a probability that christianity is crap, just like greek mythology and egyptian beliefs....if its all made up, which is a possibility...then their might not be an after life....and if there isnt an after life...then spending your whole life working then dying would be a huge waste of time.



another thing. time and aging. i have the sneaking suspision that we have the ability to live forever...and if not forever...like 20 times what we live now. because...time does not exist in the universe....and aging happens with wear and tear of organs and sagging of skin...but thats all because of gravity...and if you were to weigh different amounts on lets say...different planets...or in spacecrafts...then the process of aging should actually change.

think of the possibilities people. we advance to a state where we find other life in the universe...we figure out a way to travel interstellar distances( which by the by isnt all that impossible in the eyes of a philosopher. cuz the black space that is most of outerspace...we dont even know what that blackness is. its unknown stuff. it doesnt have a chemical compound or whatnot....maybe there is a way to minipulate that black stuff...and travel without use of fuel.) and live longer than what would be 100 years on earth. live for a time that would be 400 years on earth....

i just have a feeling that you would actually spend more time alive if you werent bound to the same planet every day of your life.

[Rasta_Man]

but when you look at ancient civilizations, i mean, there are temples built for 100 foot high men. and why would i say they were FOR 100 foot tall men? because of the drawings on the temple walls and pillars of a man looking up at a giant skinny man with a big head.

where? and how is this a depiction of anything but myth or legend? What makes it not an ancient dirty joke of some sort?

our ancient civilizations have written about flying objects in the sky and weird looking people that resemble what we know as an alien today. even in the bible, ancient scriptures could be looked at in a extratarestrial point of view.

Again, where is this? where are your sources? Just because human belief seems to be related YOUR concept of alien intelligence, doesn't mean it is.

however, i am thoroughly convinced that what the ancients called gods...were actually living beings...but they appeared as gods because, 3000+ years ago, a flying object could be nothing but the gods...what else would a flying piece of metal be?

a meteoroid, ball lighting, hallucinogens (which were common in native cultures), or simple myth and story telling.

anyways, i believe once we get to a certain point as a human race...and we know more and explore and search and do what we do best...name things and come up with theorys and such...eventually , again, this is just what i believe...but i think eventually, this world isnt going to be the only land you can explore. This planet is not all there is...

Possible, but just from a physics standpoint; interstellar travel is impossible.

i just think christianity is only the next explination of what life is about...the first was the ancient egyptians...and their multigod format, then greece, and every other culture on the world...with time, we change our beliefs...we always have...and we always will...until we get actually proof one way or the other.

Why Christianity? why not Islam? Judaism? why not Buddhism or Scientology? Besides, Polytheism still exists, just look at Hinduism.

were going to be known as a race of silly religions until we found the truth.
we'll get there. we just have to get the people of the world on the right path.
especially americans.

How do you figure?

another thing. time and aging. i have the sneaking suspision that we have the ability to live forever...and if not forever...like 20 times what we live now. because...time does not exist in the universe....and aging happens with wear and tear of organs and sagging of skin...but thats all because of gravity...and if you were to weigh different amounts on lets say...different planets...or in spacecrafts...then the process of aging should actually change.

think of the possibilities people. we advance to a state where we find other life in the universe...we figure out a way to travel interstellar distances( which by the by isnt all that impossible in the eyes of a philosopher. cuz the black space that is most of outerspace...we dont even know what that blackness is. its unknown stuff. it doesnt have a chemical compound or whatnot....maybe there is a way to minipulate that black stuff...and travel without use of fuel.) and live longer than what would be 100 years on earth. live for a time that would be 400 years on earth....

i just have a feeling that you would actually spend more time alive if you werent bound to the same planet every day of your life.

You really need to learn some of your science.

First off, you still do indeed age in weightlessness (see article)

Secondly, Dark Matter has little to do with philosophy, but rather mathematicians and cosmologists.

In my opinion, Dark Matter is one of the best examples of fuzzy math, based on the redwave problem, and does in fact, not exist.

Even if we could solve the energy problem associated with near-light speed travel, the problem is, most things in our universe are hundreds, if not thousands, millions or billions of light years away, far beyond the lifespan of a human, or a civilization.

Alpha Centauri, maybe. We won't gut too much farther than that though.


Health effects of Zero-G Environment Following the establishment of orbiting stations that can be inhabited for long durations by humans, exposure to weightlessness has been demonstrated to have some deleterious effects to health. Humans are well-adapted to the physical conditions prevailing at the surface of the Earth. When weightless, certain physiological systems begin to alter and temporary and long term health issues can occur.
The most common initial condition experienced by humans after the first couple of hours or so of weightlessness is commonly known as space sickness. The symptoms include general queasiness, nausea, vertigo, headaches, lethargy, vomiting, and an overall malaise. The first case was reported by cosmonaut Gherman Titov in 1961. Since then roughly 45% of all people to experience free floating under zero gravity have also suffered from this condition. The duration of space sickness varies, but in no case has it lasted more than 72 hours. By that time the astronauts have grown accustomed to the new environment.
The most significant adverse effects of long-term weightlessness are muscle atrophy and deterioration of the skeleton; these effects can be minimized through a regimen of exercise. Other significant effects include fluid redistribution, a slowing of the cardiovascular system, decreased production of red blood cells, balance disorders, and a weakening of the immune system. Lesser symptoms include loss of body mass, nasal congestion, sleep disturbance, excess flatulence, and puffiness of the face. These effects are reversible upon return to Earth.
Many of the conditions caused by exposure to weightlessness are similar to those resulting from aging. Scientists believe that studies of the detrimental effects of weightlessness could have medical benefits, such as a possible treatment for osteoporosis and improved medical care for the bed-ridden and elderly.

[Infernal Tako]

Originally Posted by llockhart86

i have the sneaking suspision that we have the ability to live forever...and if not forever...like 20 times what we live now. because...time does not exist in the universe....and aging happens with wear and tear of organs and sagging of skin...but thats all because of gravity

haha, i think gravity has nothing to do with it, you think if you were in space you could have perfectly functioning organs? we all deterorate.

[.ViciouS.]

I think you watch too much tv llockhart86

[astro_righteous]

Amen to that...

well not such an appropriate response to a more anti religious subject. but i am agnostic, so i have the same views on things, while yes maybe your view is a little misguided and comes form not so scientific information as these other guys have pointed out. i still think you are on the right track as to what its all about. who is to say that just from a book that has passed on from generation to generation, even millenia. the bible is one of the oldest books known to man and it is to this day considered the "truth". but why do we have so many versions of it?
its because we all different interpretations of the original document and sometimes we feel like it dosent make sense and to make it make sense then we change its meaning to suit the current situation.
i personally think that religion is one big fortune cookie. so vague that it fits into everyday actvities and life in general.
i have never put anyone down for any religion that they follow, but i let them know that i am not a beleiver of a higher power because that doesnt seem logical to me. what is logical is that some how the universe was created and then a few billion years later, the earth was created. what happened in those few billion years? i dont know no one really knows. we dont even have any information about the first 3 billion years that the earth had been made.
so why is it that people claim to know? its only speculation really i mean there is no hard evidence of this higher power. i mean moses didnt have a digital camera to take a picture of this burning bush he talked about. and so happened to drop a few tablets that god had given him as laws to follow in life. yet even the original tablets he had were newly carved. and also the bible even said he was gone for some time. at least long enough to climb a really tall mountain and have a chit chat with the almighty. he could have maybe carved the tablets himself. and carved ofcourse i mean he chiseled the letters himself.
but like i said its only speculation and i dont claim to know im just saying its possible and it seemed that back then they werent as educated as we are today and not as head strong and more gullable to such propositions that there is a god that will protect them if you beleive in him.
i think that religion isnt worth as much trouble that it has caused. war for instance. war is half the time faught over religion. look at romans vs. christians and pagan religions. look at our current war. how much of this "jihad" is really going on.
i understand also that religion will be around for years and years to come. and also i understand that religion is somethign that some people live for. like they say i live in the name of god or they have personal standards not to lie not to steal and overall be courteous to others. well i dont beleive in god but i do beleive that weed makes me just as polite to some one as those other god fearing people.

all in all i think god is an excuse for things that we cant explain and there is just so much that we dont know and so god has a bigger role than was intended for i guess, just think about science and how we thought that it is impossible for something to happen. yet years or decades after this assumption scientists have discovered through science and mathematics that it is possible. then all those people who thought the earth was flat looked like a bunch of jackasses.
i will happily look like a jack ass if i am wrong about there being no god as soon as he comes down and makes a pig grow wings a fly away to the heavens with him.

[smoke__aLot!!!]

Originally Posted by Rasta_Man

where? and how is this a depiction of anything but myth or legend? What makes it not an ancient dirty joke of some sort?

Again, where is this? where are your sources? Just because human belief seems to be related YOUR concept of alien intelligence, doesn't mean it is.

a meteoroid, ball lighting, hallucinogens (which were common in native cultures), or simple myth and story telling.

Possible, but just from a physics standpoint; interstellar travel is impossible.

Why Christianity? why not Islam? Judaism? why not Buddhism or Scientology? Besides, Polytheism still exists, just look at Hinduism.


How do you figure?



You really need to learn some of your science.

First off, you still do indeed age in weightlessness (see article)

Secondly, Dark Matter has little to do with philosophy, but rather mathematicians and cosmologists.

In my opinion, Dark Matter is one of the best examples of fuzzy math, based on the redwave problem, and does in fact, not exist.

Even if we could solve the energy problem associated with near-light speed travel, the problem is, most things in our universe are hundreds, if not thousands, millions or billions of light years away, far beyond the lifespan of a human, or a civilization.

Alpha Centauri, maybe. We won't gut too much farther than that though.


Health effects of Zero-G Environment Following the establishment of orbiting stations that can be inhabited for long durations by humans, exposure to weightlessness has been demonstrated to have some deleterious effects to health. Humans are well-adapted to the physical conditions prevailing at the surface of the Earth. When weightless, certain physiological systems begin to alter and temporary and long term health issues can occur.
The most common initial condition experienced by humans after the first couple of hours or so of weightlessness is commonly known as space sickness. The symptoms include general queasiness, nausea, vertigo, headaches, lethargy, vomiting, and an overall malaise. The first case was reported by cosmonaut Gherman Titov in 1961. Since then roughly 45% of all people to experience free floating under zero gravity have also suffered from this condition. The duration of space sickness varies, but in no case has it lasted more than 72 hours. By that time the astronauts have grown accustomed to the new environment.
The most significant adverse effects of long-term weightlessness are muscle atrophy and deterioration of the skeleton; these effects can be minimized through a regimen of exercise. Other significant effects include fluid redistribution, a slowing of the cardiovascular system, decreased production of red blood cells, balance disorders, and a weakening of the immune system. Lesser symptoms include loss of body mass, nasal congestion, sleep disturbance, excess flatulence, and puffiness of the face. These effects are reversible upon return to Earth.
Many of the conditions caused by exposure to weightlessness are similar to those resulting from aging. Scientists believe that studies of the detrimental effects of weightlessness could have medical benefits, such as a possible treatment for osteoporosis and improved medical care for the bed-ridden and elderly.

Word.

[doctork]

While being put on earth physically by aliens and traveling to other planets sound great, that is not "the truth," but merely history, no different than yesterday. A step to finding it perhaps, but who made the aliens. Maybe the aliens could show us the truth through the use of senses we do not posses? If matter cannot be created nor destroyed, then birth nor death exist, only change? Death of an organism is cells failing to work, there is no reason why one couldn't live forever.

[Liquidtruth]

I didn't read everything, too drunk/high to do so right now. I will however say that, just because time passes doesn't mean belief changes. Jew/Christian/Muslim have believed in the same God for thousands upon thousands of years. I believe God reveals himself in stages as we are ready to accept him. I also believe that God works through people, so sometimes the message can get distorted in some way. But I also believe that the general meaning will always get through and via these many different sources God reveals himself to us fully, eventually, as it suits his purpose.

We fight amongst each other over the same idea of a God just presented in sometimes different ways and with different understanding. But generally we are commanded to do the same things and act the same way.

Originally Posted by Hebrews 10:16

"This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds."

Another minor note: In a 10+ dimensonal Universe, faster than light travel is not entirely impossible...