the celestine prophecy

[Pinkfloydness]

has neone read the celestine prophecy by james redfield? if so, what are your thoughts? if not, well...i guess ill expain it later cant think right now

[SmOkEy_McPoT_85]

... i guess an explanation is in order?

[Pinkfloydness]

well...there are 11 insites that have been discovered ...they date back to 600bc and were found in peru...the insites show a look into the future of the human race...i copied a summary of the insites from a web site lol so here they are...

A Critical Mass

A new spiritual awakening is occurring in human culture, an awakening brought about by a critical mass of individuals who experience their lives as a spiritual unfolding, a journey in which we are led forward by mysterious coincidences.

The Longer Now

This awakening represents the creation of a new, more complete world view, which replaces a five-hundred-year-old preoccupation with secular survival and comfort. While this technological preoccupation was an important step, our awakening to life's coincidences is opening us up to the real purpose of human life on this planet, and the real nature of our universe.

A Matter Of Energy

We now experience that we live not in a material universe, but in a universe of dynamic energy. Everything extant is a field of sacred energy that we can sense and intuit. Moreover, we humans can project our energy by focusing our attention in the desired direction...where attention goes, energy flows...influencing other energy systems and increasing the pace of coincidences in our lives.

The Struggle For Power


Too often humans cut themselves off from the greater source of this energy and so feel weak and insecure. To gain energy we tend to manipulate or force others to give us attention and thus energy. When we successfully dominate others in this way, we feel more powerful, but they are left weakened and often fight back. Competition for scarce, human energy is the cause of all conflict between people.

The Message Of The Mystics


Insecurity and violence ends when we experience an inner connection with divine energy within, a connection described by mystics of all traditions. A sense of lightness - buoyancy - along with the constant sensation of love are measures of this connection. If these measures are present, the connection is real. If not, it is only pretended.

Clearing The Past


The more we stay connected, the more we are acutely aware of those times when we lose connection, usually when we are under stress. In these times, we can see our own particular way of stealing energy from others. Once our manipulations are brought to personal awareness, our connection becomes more constant and we can discover our own growth path in life, and our spiritual mission - the personal way we can contribute to the world.

Engaging The Flow


Knowing our personal mission further enhances the flow of mysterious coincidences as we are guided toward our destinies. First we have a question; then dreams, daydreams, and intuitions lead us towards the answers, which usually are synchronistically provided by the wisdom of another human being.

The Interpersonal Ethic


We can increase the frequency of guiding coincidences by uplifting every person that comes into our lives. Care must be taken not to lose our inner connection in romantic relationships. Uplifting others is especially effective in groups where each member can feel energy of all the others. With children it is extremely important for their early security and growth. By seeing the beauty in every face, we lift others into their wisest self, and increase the chances of hearing a synchronistic message.

The Emerging Culture


As we all evolve toward the best completion of our spiritual missions, the technological means of survival will be fully automated as humans focus instead on synchronistic growth. Such growth will move humans into higher energy states, ultimately transforming our bodies into spiritual form and uniting this dimension of existence with the after-life dimension, ending the cycle of birth and death.

[SmOkEy_McPoT_85]

Damn, that's pretty cool!!!

Having sead that, would you say that you beleive in destiny or fate or what?

[Pinkfloydness]

before i read the book i didnt believe in "fate" or nething like that...i thought there would have to be some sort of god like figure controling all of it...but now i dont think that it is a "god" ... we just live in a universe that respondes to our expectations...so as for fate..we choose our own fate by our decisions, but the universal energy sets up the choices we are faced with

[XxJWxX]

So the earth and the trees and everything that was here originally before technology is all just visuals??? Someone or something is probably responsible but we may never know.

I do believe in fate, but not applying it to everything.

[SmOkEy_McPoT_85]

Personaly i beleive that what we see hear n all that stuff is just the basics. Everything has a much deeper place in existance rather than just being there. Also the whole thing about humans being the highest (hehe)consious being around interms of us being blessed with the train of thaught called choice and that is pretty lame. Because of 'choice', we have depleted the forrests of this once amazingly beutiful planet, clogged the air sludged out the water, made extinct countless amounts of species and i am only scratching the surface here.
So i guess what i am trying to get at here is if we are the highest and most refined beings out there....Damn!

[Pinkfloydness]

Amen.

[pelorico]

The book has alot of truth in it. I read it approx. 3 years ago. I explored everything in it deeply and it is no joke. I am not going to attempt to elaborate because I have already tried to write 4 posts and they can't be long enough. I'll talk about it if anyone wants to, I just want make sure I'm "connecting" with someone first because I want to share. I don't want to just leave a huge post in a dead philosophy topic that I poured my heart into.

But I do want to discuss it if you're up for it.

[petrified]

man, no joke
that books sounds so freeking hardcore, i really wanna delve into it straigt away, gonna order a copy from amazon straight away....
i do think it was fate and destiny that got me to open this post...and check out what the celestine prophecy is...
i would love to read some of your interpretations before i start reading the book as it may give me a clear focus to look for hwen looking into the book
lemme knw
easy

[pelorico]

If you are looking for more insight into yourself, human nature, and society, then this book offers intriguing conclusions. It's not the Bible by any means, and isn't "the answer", but hopefully it would help you get started on your personal search. I read it after I was already motivated, so you have to have the motivation first. This is definitely a book to read if you are exploring. I don't want to be too biased about it because I've read other opinions that mock the book, but at the same time they didn't invalidate anything. It just seems to me there is alot of wisdom in the book and might plant some seeds that will blossom some day. You can see all of the devices that are behind things and it is so blatant, it is mind boggling how naive people are. That's it. This book will, if nothing else, help you become less naive. I'll post about this later tonight once I get in a better frame of mind. Just go to any book store and buy it. Its probably at the library too.

[petrified]

its truly amazing
u talk about wisdom, and naivity...and not seeing and understanding what is around us

and then after reading your post...i look at the ostrech that u sign off with....

and its eye is larger than its brain....it has 2 eyes...that means it sees atleast double of what it can comprehend (fugiritivly that is), us as humans maybe are similar...that we see so much, understand so little....wow....just though id add that to this discussion

take it easy

dsa

[pelorico]

Truth is the key. I can't expand anymore, this sucks. It changes all of the time and its hard to write this shit down. Sometimes you don't have all the answers and that is okay, you just have to strive towards truth and you will be okay.

[ChiLLZ]

striving towards truth leads to insanity, this is not a world of logic, and it's not ours to comprehend. im just along for the ride. how many conflicting philosophies are there to understand? if one were to understand each one to the fullest, wouldnt a loss of one's mind be inevitable?

[pelorico]

It usually doesn't work that way because truth isn't as stringent as it appears. Part of truth is survival of your being, and if you are staring truth in the face and it becomes too much to bare, your mind can remain open but decide a conclusion can't be made until you have more evidence to draw upon(your life experiences). It probably happens thousands of times a day in our thoughts and observations, and it goes unnoticed.

I believe the farther away from truth you become or the more you deny truth, the greater the chance you couild really go crazy. Denial and Ignorance are two examples of being disconnected from truth. Restraint on the other hand, is a necessary and a natural mechanism for survival. Everyone is in a different situation. Restraint allows you to stay on your personal path at your own pace, because of your specific life experience and remain open. Denial closes doors and leads only to negative side effects, which are responsible for most problems in this world. And the door is just shut for the ignorant, waiting for it to open, and it usually does at some point, but requires more attention because the feelings that come with denial will force you to find why you are feeling that way, which is what led me to believe this way. Because anxiety and depression once ruled me. I found that the mistake I was making was to suppress the things that were the most painful and crucial to my being, and thought I would go crazy if I really did confront my anxiety in a truthful way. You just have to know that truth is not to be feared. It is only a beginning point to making the right decisions. Not competing to see who is right. But to help yourself make the right decisions and organize your thoughts in a more sincere way, according to you, but only made possible by not shutting doors and remaining open to truth. Not finding the ultimate answer or philosophy, but being true to yourself(understanding feelings etc.) as much as you can in order to form your own philosophy(evolving might I add) that you know in your heart and is specific to you. This will allow you to find your true mission in life, and once you do that by going through this process, you will clearly recognize that openness to truth was the key and denial of truth was the problem.

I just had to learn things at my pace, given who I am, but not shutting myself off to it and drowning myself in whatever devices that allow me to deny with the least pain possible. That is the easiest way cover up the problem. Not something to be afraid of and think it will harm you, because if you do, you will remain in a state of denial. If you feel that you don't understand something and you are being honest, then that is okay. You remain open to what you are thinking and know that the answer will come, and that is as honest as you can be at the moment. And if, and only if you are sincere and not playing stupid with yourself, the answer(s) will come in a way that you never thought of. You just can't close your mind to it. And once you are at peace with whatever conclusion you have made, more doors open. Restraint kicks in when your limits are being tested. But you can always come back to it, if you remain honest with yourself and confident that there is an answer for whatever . It's something I have learned, but hard to explain in words.

The denial of certain things led me to be anxious and feel like I was going to go crazy, so I would continue to withdraw or deny more. Not restrain and stay open, but close my doors and let things fester and only patch up the problem. Once I let those reins go, the anxiety ended and my life began. I apply that lesson towards life in general and it works. Everyone is afraid of truth or atleast being somewhat open and dishonest with themselves, so they cover it up and it explodes into major problems, including, I might add, insanity to a lesser or greater degree. Being as open to truth and patient with truth as possible is not easy, but it is the closest you can come to sanity and yourself. And to me, that is the essence of life.

So, I guess what I'm trying to say is to find your own truth and be open to it, and you will learn and be firm in your conviction. On the way there, it is bumpy as hell. But don't let human emotion and effort be confused with insanity. Don't let restraint be confused with denial. And never close yourself to finding truth.