Bluecheese plant/brown spots curling leaves? Please read!

[selfmedication]

OK so this bluecheese lady is about 2weeks on 12/12
This problem just started occurring today, I gave her bout a gallon of rain water yesterday..
(Which I've been doing) Using all organics..
Happy frog soil, High p guano, earthworm castings, and alot of perlite!
This has also happened to another one of my plants, but im not sure what to connect it to..
Im in desperate need, because this certain deficiency acts quick, and I Do Not want it to happen to my favorite lady. Ughhh I just dont get it, it was doing perfect
I would flush her, and give her some flowering nutes, but I'm scared that will make it worse. I've read that flushing organics is pointless anyway, so what do I do here

[Mr.GoodStuff]

A localized problem on the plant means that it is a localized environmental issue.

It's most likely right under the light and not getting enough wind to cool off that branch. Another possibility is bugs, but considering it's right in the middle and at the top, I'd say it's a heat issue. That would definitely explain why it's happening so fast at week 2 of 12/12... When the plant is stretching like crazy... It grew up too close to the light and it's not as happy as before. But when the rest of the plant looks beautiful, it's definitely a localized environmental problem.

Get more wind on that baby and she should be fine- and check for bugs just to make sure.

[selfmedication]

Originally Posted by Mr.GoodStuff

A localized problem on the plant means that it is a localized environmental issue.

It's most likely right under the light and not getting enough wind to cool off that branch. Another possibility is bugs, but considering it's right in the middle and at the top, I'd say it's a heat issue. That would definitely explain why it's happening so fast at week 2 of 12/12... When the plant is stretching like crazy... It grew up too close to the light and it's not as happy as before. But when the rest of the plant looks beautiful, it's definitely a localized environmental problem.

Get more wind on that baby and she should be fine- and check for bugs just to make sure.

Well it is a localized problem for now, but I can see it quickly spreading through the leaves.
I believe my ph may be too low, considering guanos lower ph and I've been using distilled/ro/rain water. As for the heat issue, very well could be that. Although she is under cfl's (250wts or so) they are but only a few inches away. Temp stays around 85 in the box..
Im starting the think its related to phosporus lockout/defecient as well?
Hmm not sure, havent really had any problems like this..
Mr. goodstuff, It's pretty ironic, I was just reading your busted thread, my condolenses goes out to you my friend. I'm glad your in good spirits.

[selfmedication]

Literally just checked on the lady, after already giving her a gallon of distilled water(1drop ph up) I find an ant in my soil.. Lol not sure what this could mean?

[Mr.Tangent]

i had the same issue with my blue cheese ladies. It's either a Calcium or Zinc deficiency...

I added some REVIVE and GROW nutes by advanced nutes and it cleared up in a few days..

here's my link when mine were sick.

http://forum.grasscity.com/sick-plan...z-help-me.html

[selfmedication]

Ok so im back, but battling this problem has been a constant..
I've flushed with about 10gallons of water over the past 5days.
It doesnt seem to be getting noticeably worse, but definitely not any better.
My ph is still low for some reason? Im watering with distilled/tap (just for the time being to bring ph up) the ph test strips are reading my ph to be around 5.5 which is questionable..
In my soil I have high p bat guano, earthworm castings, a little sprinkle of dolomite lime (pelletized, I know not good) and am using happy frog soil. about 2weeks into flowering, and overall growth is extremely slow compared to my norms.
Ok I could see how it could be a calcium d, but it could also just be low ph lockin out all nutes.
But no matter how much ph'd water i put through this damn pot, the ph doesnt change a bit. Im really hoping someone could give me a good diagnosis here, as to I havent had to deal with many sick ladies. Usually I grow with ocean forest, so I dont have to add many nutes, but this time I wanted to control everything and do organics. This is not as easy as I imagined, to say the least. If i could start over I wouldnt have added any nutes, until needed. Guess I gotta deal with whats in front of me. Ok so I have grow big, tigerbloom, and some superthrive..
Would any of these 3 help my sick lady?
If you notice from the last pics i posted to the most recent, she has lost most of her lush green color
This is really starting to tick me off though guys, she was doing so great before flowering

[hairy-arm-pit]

That's weird what ph are you flushing with? Just flush it with 7.0 ph water. You're locking out nutes the plant needs with that low of a ph. More nutes won't help because the plant can't take them in anyways. After you flush feed them again with 7.0 ph mix.

[selfmedication]

Originally Posted by hairy-arm-pit

That's weird what ph are you flushing with? Just flush it with 7.0 ph water. You're locking out nutes the plant needs with that low of a ph. More nutes won't help because the plant can't take them in anyways. After you flush feed them again with 7.0 ph mix.

Well the distilled is probably around 6 and the tap is around 8..
So most of the time I mix half/half (just for the flush) so I figure it would put it around 7..
I havent added any nutes, whatsoever yet..
I would say shes completely flushed, but shes not. Her ph is still coming out low, and the water coming out is kinda dark (maybe too many nutes built up bringing the ph down??)
So I guess ill keep on flushing, but any other suggestions or anyone else have experience with this?

[Mr.GoodStuff]

The heat is definitely not helping things, but considering the fact it's spreading I agree with tangent- it's a micronutrient deficiency.

Zero ppm water doesn't have the same micronutrients that filtered tap water does. Also it is highly reactive to pH changes which is why the pH isn't changing very much when you flush them. You will need to flush with some filtered tap water or spring water that is pH'd to 7 instead of the distilled. That will have much more of an effect, and will supply some micronutrients.

I'm thinking you should have added some Peace of Mind or Happy Frog organic ferilizer after about a month if you wanted to stay organic. The soil probably doesn't have enough bacteria breaking it down. Some FoxFarm Big Bloom would have definitely helped too.

I like the idea of using a micronutrient complex at this point like Revive, and some really light Grow Big and Tiger Bloom.

Since Tangent had this type of problem before and fixed it, I would follow his advice

[selfmedication]

Originally Posted by Mr.GoodStuff

The heat is definitely not helping things, but considering the fact it's spreading I agree with tangent- it's a micronutrient deficiency.

Zero ppm water doesn't have the same micronutrients that filtered tap water does. Also it is highly reactive to pH changes which is why the pH isn't changing very much when you flush them. You will need to flush with some filtered tap water or spring water that is pH'd to 7 instead of the distilled. That will have much more of an effect, and will supply some micronutrients.

I'm thinking you should have added some Peace of Mind or Happy Frog organic ferilizer after about a month if you wanted to stay organic. The soil probably doesn't have enough bacteria breaking it down. Some FoxFarm Big Bloom would have definitely helped too.

I like the idea of using a micronutrient complex at this point like Revive, and some really light Grow Big and Tiger Bloom.

Since Tangent had this type of problem before and fixed it, I would follow his advice

Thanks again man, appreciate everything! It really isnt all that hot, in all honesty. I kept the lights a good few in. the past few days, but today shes actually perked up since I put the light 3in. from tops yesterday. Also has been a steady 80-82degrees
Now as for the tiger bloom and all the other fox farm products you mentioned, I do have tiger bloom and grow big.. But what do you say to stay organic? Im using nothing but organics so far. I havent used tiger bloom or grow big for this grow, but had used them for previous grows. Also how come you say I dont have enough bacteria, how could I get more going? I've used my unsulphered molasses (blackstrap) half tbsp to a gallon.
How can I get the party started down there? What else do I need to try, and should I really add a little tiger bloom? Now, or should I keep flushing first?

[Mr.Tangent]

like i said, get some revive and they will be fine...

[purgatorysrath]

It looks like in the one picture you have some Perlite mixed in with your dirt? if this is perlite that was bought at menards/lowes etc.etc.etc. that has Miracle slow release ferts in it, then there is your problem. I used it to aerate my soil and it burned the Hell out of my plants the whole grow...the more you water to flush the sob's the more that shit burns them. I repotted several and it fixed them, but the ones I did'nt still survived just burned badly. I wouldn't fertilize them if this is the case.