What deficiency is this? (PICS)

[Ms.NatureFaerie]

Had a long day today but I will test the soil tomorrow and post back! I am hoping it isn't as high as well...I just want healthy plants!!

[Evolved]

Keep your fingers crossed. Good luck and report back!

[Ms.NatureFaerie]

Update 2 days after flush


pH:

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P:

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K:

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N:

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The nitrogen went waaaay down so I am assuming that's a good thing.

[schmedrickk]

Hi,

Thanks for more great pictures. WOW, what a difference in the Nitrogen level huh? That is really amazing, just goes to show what a good flushing will do, lol

OK, so here's what I think now:

Phospherous looks pretty good, maybe a wee high but I think you'll be OK.

Potash looks great, right in line

PH level is too high, see how it has a shade of Blue to it? You're up around the 8.5 level, you want it to be lime greenish rather than blue. This is not nearly as bad as too low of a PH level, you'll get a bit of nute lockout but you are far better off being too high rather than too low.

So when you look at everything all together, you'll need to do a bit of a juggling act to bring everything back in line. Although your Nitrogen level dropped incredibly, it is way too low now, and we don't want to starve the plant. But that's OK, this is what we were shooting for.

What you'll want to do is start slowly backing in the Ferts to balance everything out. I would recommend adding either a 1/4 or 1/2 strength of ferts to start with. By adding the ferts it could bring down your PH to right in line. Ferts have a nasty way of tanking your PH level if you're not careful, so proceed with caution. Also, make sure you PH test the fert solution before adding it to the soil, we don't want to tank the PH too low.

Your plant has just been through some serious trauma so you'll want to be extra careful what you do. If the ferts don't bring down the PH level, a PH Up / PH Down kit is a great way to go. This stuff is potent so be careful with it too.

I'm sure this is probably a frustrating process but everybody goes through it. How are your plants doing now, have you noticed any change for the better, or a slow down in the rate of deterioration of the leaves?

[Ms.NatureFaerie]

It is frustrating! They are doing much much better though. I will reintroduce some Grow Big and Big Bloom into the diet and see how things go. I think my next grow will be in bubble buckets. It just seems like everything is easier to fix/control when you are dealing with water only lol. Thanks for your help along the way...it's been a journey!

[CleanCutGurilla]

just out of curiosity you didnt use the tap to flush?

tap water "can" have some funky shit in it that may or may not influence certain nutrient uptake rates.

i have had this same problem before, i mean my leaves looked identicle. i attributed my problem with an aggressive feeding program of the "bc recipee for succcess" not all plants exhibited the mottled leaves but then some plants are much more sufficient at taking in and utilizing nutrients

started at the bottom of the plant and moved upwards...and yah the leaves are shot at this point, trimming would be more for aesthetics as well as light penetration at this point.

[schmedrickk]

Originally Posted by Ms.NatureFaerie

It is frustrating! They are doing much much better though. I will reintroduce some Grow Big and Big Bloom into the diet and see how things go. I think my next grow will be in bubble buckets. It just seems like everything is easier to fix/control when you are dealing with water only lol. Thanks for your help along the way...it's been a journey!

Glad to hear the pups are doing better, that's a good thing. Interesting that you should mention bubble buckets. I bought a BubblePonics system a few weeks ago, and I've been thinking about giving it a go. I agree it is much easier managing the PH and ferts with only water, but I'm wondering if the tradeoff of topping the tank daily and flushing the reservior every two weeks is worth the hassle, I guess I will find out, lol

If anyone else has experience with hydro/aero growing I could use some guidance

[schmedrickk]

I'm glad we went through this exercise, because I just transplanted some of my girls into FoxFarm Ocean Forest Soil. I used to have them in Happy Frog soil and they were really struggling. So I took a reading of the Ocean Forest Soil, I have not added any Ferts, this is straight out of the bag. You'll see each test was well within acceptable range. My pictures are not quite as good as yours because I have soil sediment floating around, but you can see them pretty clearly.

I don't recall what type of soil you are using, but I found there is a dramatic difference between Happy Frog and Ocean Forest soils. I can honestly say that Ocean Forest is by far the better soil for plants.


PH




Nitrogen




Phospherous




Potash (Potassium)





FoxFarm Ocean Forest Soil, give it a try

[Ms.NatureFaerie]

I use FoxFarm Ocean Forest soil already .


From what I have read and heard...bubbleponics are a bit more maintenance than soil but the way I see it is it gives me something to do when I go in there and stare at them every day. I think you can really create an optimal environment for your plants much easier than you could ever do with soil. Of course I may be singing a different tune once I try it, but I doubt it.

[schmedrickk]

Hi,

I started a couple of new pups a few weeks ago, and I'm already having problems with one of them, even in the Ocean Forest soil. I got really frustrated with it today and decided to give the Hydro a go. I transplanted the pups from the soil into the "net pots" to see what happens. After I added Ferts to the water, it tanked my PH to 3.8

Luckily I have a PH Up / PH Down kit and was able to bring the PH in line to about 5.8 (for Hydro). You'll see my Bubblegum's leaves are fried, this is what ticked me off, lol

I'm hoping that maybe the Hydro approach might be better than soil. I may also drop a few more pups into the empty net pots using Rock Wool cubes but I'm a little concerned about the close distance between each net pot.

Is there any advice you can provide? This is my first Hydro grow

[progenitor04]

put ur plant in ur tub run the water thru it for bout 10 15 mins

[marijane]

in my opinion its more likely that they got too much of some nutrient rather than too little....they seemed to get very bad very fast and deficiency doesnt usually happen so fast unless your not paying attention.


anyways....good luck

[Ms.NatureFaerie]

Originally Posted by schmedrickk

I'm a little concerned about the close distance between each net pot.

Is there any advice you can provide? This is my first Hydro grow

Yeah...you won't be able to really fit anymore plants in that container. I mean you can but I don't think it would be good for the roots in the long run. If you are interested in growing more than 2 plants at a time then I would look at this (this is what I am eventually getting): High Tech Garden Supply

or if you would rather run them individually then you can just buy however many you want of these: High Tech Garden Supply

Very legit store...prices, shipping, customer service, and quality are all top level. Good luck!