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Old 05-04-2009, 09:22 PM
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carob molassess for magnesium deficiency

hi folks.

my plants are 30. day of vegging and i am pretty sure that 3 of my plants shows mg deficieny.
i grow organic sytle.
i use coco perlite peatmoss worm casts and 2 tbsp dolomite for per gallon.
i use biobizz grow for vegging with piranha,tarantula,voodoo,carboload,sensizyme from advanced nutrients and superthrive.

i cant find calmag,blackstrap molasses or something so the where i live.

i read that some users use molassess for mg deficency.

i could find here " carob molassess " .

please look at the analyze :

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mineral Analysis Results (mg / kg)
amount of substance is soluble in water (mg / kg): 68
Sodium (mg / kg): 203
Potassium (mg / kg): 7040
Zinc (mg / kg): 10
Calcium (mg / kg): 1234
Iron (mg / kg): 7.6
Phosphorus (mg / kg): 547
Manganese (mg / kg): 3
Magnesium (mg / kg): 500
Copper (mg / kg): 0.8

PS: 1 kg = 2,205 pound , 1 ml = 0,034 ounce
can i use that molassess instead of epsom salts or calmag ?

there are some other minerals in this mollassess such as Phosphorus,Potassium and sodium. are they harmful for plants ?

and i dont know whether the benefical microbes ( from worm casts,voodoo,piranha and tarantula ) in soil can breaKDOWN this mollassess so that my plants could easily take necessary minerals.

i think it is mg deficiency because upper leaves are getting to lose their green color.. they are losing their dark green color.i showed picture of mg deficient leaves and my leaves are similar that.there is color loss problem on upper leaves ,not lower leaves.

and my leaves is same with that picture :



and it is not a yellowing problem.leaves arent getting to yellowing,they are losing their dark green color and their color is getting to light green.

In addition;;

1) if it is mg deficiency,can i use carob molassess ?

2) if it is not mg deficiency and i use carob molasses,would that damage my plants ?

3 ) how much should i use carob molassess ? 1 tbs ( 15 mililiter ) for 1 gallon is ok ?

( 1 tbs = 15 ml )

epsom salts,yeah i can find here mg sulphate.but doesnt molassess work for mg deficiency ? i think molassess is safer than epsom salts.

i will stop using carboload when i add mollassess .

help me please.
 
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Old 05-05-2009, 01:36 AM
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Re: carob molassess for magnesium deficiency

I dont know where you finde this pic, I can say to this are not Mg def .. .

Can you please tell me why are molasses better then epsom salts and what kinde of work doing molasses to the plant ?
Molasses of monosaharides or disaharides or raw sugar or what ?

and please, can you tell me now much are N in your solution and how much you often use them ?
 
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Re: carob molassess for magnesium deficiency

i found that picture in a forum..

i read that epsom salts could cause hig EC and lockout soil

i use biobizz nutrients with every watering. NPK: 8 2 6 .

i found magnesium sulphate injection ampule for humans on pharmacy. can i use that ? and there are many different dosage and usage guides on forums.

foilar spray or watering ? how much epsom salt for a gallon,1 tbs or tsp ?

And the most important question ;

where do mg deficiency begin from,upper leaves or lower leaves ?

it has begun from upper leaves in my plants.
 
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Old 05-05-2009, 03:40 AM
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Re: carob molassess for magnesium deficiency

This is not Mg def, means locked cause pH or Phosphorus.
Mg def looks like small yellow/brown spots on leaves,staring to yellow on the edges (end of leaf finger) of the leaf and spots are on whole leaf.What are not in your case.

8 / 2 /6 are not so strong, but its too much to feeding plants by every watering ... now is important what concentration is in the solution ,means EC.
Then I can tell ya what you was fucked up.By this pix can be N problem or pH,Mg never.

Do not listen to others on the forum about dosage.Anyone who told ya use 1/4 or 1/2 of recommended nutriens, he was never saw in his life how looks EC meter and he even dont know what exactly give to his plants.
EC and pH meter are must for you.Save money and buy one by one,if you can buy right now both meters.

Do not know what about human injections of Mg and molecular structure,I will never use that stuff.
Cause molecular structure I ask you which kinde of molasses,because plant can uptake only small moleculs like monosaharides,where is glocose and fructose all other kinde of "sugar" molecular structure can and will hurt the plant.

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Re: carob molassess for magnesium deficiency

i checked lower and middle leaves and i saw they have same problem.
i dont have a camera so i couldnt post a picture but i read forums and i see people has similar problem with me. their problem is mg or iron deficiecny and therefore i thought i had mg or iron deficiency.

the only thing i could do is spraying leaves with epsom salts.

if i have really mg deficiency,it will fix.
if i dont ,will it damage my plants ?

if it is a lock out,why mg is locked ? because of ph ?because of K ?

but mg will lock out under 6.0 ph but my ph is almost 7.

if it is because of K,what can i do ?
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