Lowryder#2 will not flower! Help

[katana2k9]

well it depends on the pesticide if you get the type used for tomatoes that is fine really it is i have used it and no probs good vegatable pesicide wont harm you once they have been dealt with you can can folair feed with water no probs.

yea that will work as long as it the right kevlin should be fine wattage yea np

well that will work as long as you use a 2/3 soil 1/3 compost that will be fine what was ur last ph reading KAT

[StickyIckyRicky]

Originally Posted by katana2k9

well it depends on the pesticide if you get the type used for tomatoes that is fine really it is i have used it and no probs good vegatable pesicide wont harm you once they have been dealt with you can can folair feed with water no probs.

yea that will work as long as it the right kevlin should be fine wattage yea np

well that will work as long as you use a 2/3 soil 1/3 compost that will be fine what was ur last ph reading KAT

Hmm...I'll have to see if they have that at Home Depot today or tomorrow. I'm a little leery on using pesticides, but at this point it's worth a shot, rather than lose the couple hundred I invested in these puppies so far. Hope it's not expensive.

I don't think it's a 600w flourescent, but if I find the lamp I'll let you know. I've been looking around but I forget where I placed it long ago.

EDIT: No, definitely not. It's a max 75w incandescent, which I don't think works, right?

And I added a good amount of peat moss to each pot, so I would say each is at least 1/4, if not 1/3, peat moss. I'm gonna do another reading on them tomorrow, but the last pH readings I had before adding the peat moss were 7, 7, 7.5, and 6.8, so I am hoping the peat moss will restore them to ideal levels again, given that they were all less than 1 step up on the pH scale.

[katana2k9]

yea it definatly too high ur ph i keep mine between 6.0 and 6.4 and all is fine i try not to go over that which helps, depends wot colour the spectrum is if it blue or red the only way to know is by turning it on on unless you get a 4 2700k cfls for like ten bucks and some fittings that should be fine, im not sure if the ph will lower by simply adding peat it might i have never done it, ive always used a flush thats what worked for me keep your eye on them everyday till the ph is back down to 6.5 6.7 also check the ph of your water it might be an issue

oh have you any pics

[StickyIckyRicky]

Originally Posted by katana2k9

yea it definatly too high ur ph i keep mine between 6.0 and 6.4 and all is fine i try not to go over that which helps, depends wot colour the spectrum is if it blue or red the only way to know is by turning it on on unless you get a 4 2700k cfls for like ten bucks and some fittings that should be fine, im not sure if the ph will lower by simply adding peat it might i have never done it, ive always used a flush thats what worked for me keep your eye on them everyday till the ph is back down to 6.5 6.7 also check the ph of your water it might be an issue

oh have you any pics

Don't CFLs require their own specific lamps though? I don't know much about CFLs, just MH and HPS and a little bit about Fluorescent. If it's cheap and easy to set up/maintain, I'd consider it.

And yeah, ran some more pH tests today and it was about the same as the night before. Granted, not much time to allow for an adjustment of pH, but I flushed them again earlier.

Checked the pH of my water...didn't really get a reading on that. Probably because I'm using a soil pH measurer. DId a round of pH tests on them earlier and got 7, 7.2, 7.2, 7.5, so no real difference so far, although it's not yet been even a full day. Perhaps I'm just overly anxious.

I took some pictures, but I have to find my camera's USB cord. They're some depressing pictures though. Sick plants always get me a little down, especially when they're my own.

[katana2k9]

well a soil ph meter wont read water u need to get a pond meter oh the cfls are cheap they go into ur basic lamp fitting u get around ur house like bayonet cap type mostly or ES edison screw either way they are cheap to run and easy to get so whereever u get them its fine most wallwart do them, around ten quid a pair and fittings are pennys all u need then i a lenght of three core wiring basic stuff and and wire trimmer and a screw driver done. as for your ph if there are no signs of improvment by friday i would suggest flushing them again

[StickyIckyRicky]

Originally Posted by katana2k9

well a soil ph meter wont read water u need to get a pond meter oh the cfls are cheap they go into ur basic lamp fitting u get around ur house like bayonet cap type mostly or ES edison screw either way they are cheap to run and easy to get so whereever u get them its fine most wallwart do them, around ten quid a pair and fittings are pennys all u need then i a lenght of three core wiring basic stuff and and wire trimmer and a screw driver done. as for your ph if there are no signs of improvment by friday i would suggest flushing them again

Hmm. Might as well look into it, although I'd need to buy some fixtures regardless.

And indeed. That's what I plan to do, although hopefully it won't be necessary. Probably will be, but hopefully not. At least it's sunny today for the first time in what feels like weeks...hopefully this means more sunny days to come to help my babies blossom.

Also, here are the pictures you asked for...I don't know a lot about plants, but I know when ones aren't doing well, and these fall into that category.

[katana2k9]

oh man those plants havent had enuf light at all they look so ill and streched i really cant predict there futures but it dosent look good and as for the insects that are eating them, u need to get pesticides other wise there will be no leaves left get some cfls and keep them close to them and keep them inside otherwise you wont have any thing left honestly bring them in have a look at my journal and see for your self the benifits of cfl KAT

[StickyIckyRicky]

oof. I know.

I went out and got 3 clamp lamps with 60W CFLs, 2 "warm" and 1 "day bright". Covered a room in tinfoil (don't have mylar) and the uncovered parts are painted bright white already. Don't have a fan around nor the money to spend on one, but the room they stay in is generally around 65-70 degrees because there is a medium-sized fan (one that won't fit in with the plants) outside the room, oscillating 24/7.

Didn't have enough room for all four, so I took in #1 and #2 from outside and into some CFL shelter. #3 and #4 are just gonna have to tough it out, unfortunately for me. We're back to rainy & cloudy weather again too, so it doesn't look like they'll come out alive or with any buds.

Situated the lights within 2-3" of each plant. Hopefully within a couple of days I will see signs of improvement and revitalization...I really hope these guys aren't past the point of no return just yet.

[katana2k9]

well man did u get pesticides yet the bulbs u got will do fine u should hopefully see some new growth in a day or 2 make sure u get rid of those bugs, or u will have no plant left post some pics in a few days and let me have a look so we can determine the next step KAT

[StickyIckyRicky]

Originally Posted by katana2k9

well man did u get pesticides yet the bulbs u got will do fine u should hopefully see some new growth in a day or 2 make sure u get rid of those bugs, or u will have no plant left post some pics in a few days and let me have a look so we can determine the next step KAT

I'm getting the pesticides tomorrow. Don't know where they'd sell them, but I'll be looking in Home Depot.

What should I keep the indoor ones on in terms of a light cycle? 18/6? 24/0 until healthier?

[katana2k9]

considering 24/0 would be best i would think as there isnt much growth i would keep it that way for a while until new growth imerges

[StickyIckyRicky]

Originally Posted by katana2k9

considering 24/0 would be best i would think as there isnt much growth i would keep it that way for a while until new growth imerges

Word, I've been keeping them on 24/0. Haven't noticed any significant changes yet, but I'll run some pH tests tonight and take a couple snapshots and compare them to the previous pictures on here.

Ran pH tests on #s 3 and 4 (the outsiders) and they're still coming in around 7.2, 7.3 for some reason, so I flushed them again with distilled water. #4 seems to be making a bit of progress, but not anything like I need her to do.

[katana2k9]

hey man u have to wait about a week to see how they get on have you been keeping the lights close to the tops of the plants? well the ph will come down after flushing wait a few days and see what happens but if u ask me they should be fine be patient it is weed and its a hardy plant so dont worry what i do know about LR is that they are very sensitive to nutes and ph changes keep flushing till u get it down to 6.0 6.2 and they will be fine and after that you will start to see new growth, keep ur chin up dude KAT

[StickyIckyRicky]

Well, finally got around to pH testing my indoor babies...still around 7, 7.1. Slow depreciation, but progress nonetheless.

Flushed them both, will do some checking in a couple days. I was thinking of beginning to water them with distilled water + unsulphered molasses (1 tbsp per gal) starting tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. Any opinion on this? I've heard that it benefits them well, but I'm somewhat concerned as to how the sugariness would affect the already-high pH.

Planning (if I have time) to go back to Home Depot and pick up another lighting fixture or two, and two more CFLs (one day bright and one average brightness, again both @ 60w equivalents) and then to Staples for a clamp-on low-powered fan to keep 'em a little cooler, not that they're all that hot now. That'd bring me up to 4-5 CFL fixtures. Planning to buy a surge protector too, because I'll then have 4-6 plugs and my current extension wheel only has four outlets. Planning to bring in #4 from outdoors and put her under the lights with her two girlfriends. There's been some sun lately, so she's started to blossom just a tad, and I want to get her under a 24/0 setting to help her heal up.

#3 appears more and more likely to be a lost cause. Alas.


Lastly, I've seen some major improvements out of #1 since I brought her in. You were right about the CFLs being more than beneficial and somewhat making up for the recent lack of sun. Her leaves are coming back, greener than before, and the uppermost node (believe that's the term) is shimmering with trichs, as are the other nodes on her, to a lesser degree. It's a beautiful thing to watch.

#2 has picked up some trichs as well, but since she's substantially shorter in height than #1, the lights aren't as near to her. The clamp lamp isn't more than 6" in length when stretched out, so it's hard to make it reach within two inches...it's probably about 4" away now, which is why I want to get two more: one additional lamp to put over #2, and then one lamp for #4 to bring her in (as you prolly noticed, she's much taller...er, lankier, than the others, so reaching close won't be much of a problem, I should imagine).

Well...that was quite an essay I guess. Enough for now. Can't thank you enough for the continued support though, KAT. I really appreciate it yo.

[katana2k9]

well its good to see that you have been using the cfls they are life safers quiet literally, as for yeild of ur plants im sure that it will be pretty low as there isnt many nodes and it seems that you have lost a few aswell but to worry you can use ths experience as a learning surve and you never get 100% right the first time as for new growers i would reccommend sticking to cfls they are easy to use cheap and best of all the results. the ph of ur soil is still a bit high but even still it takes a day or so for the ph to lower as the soil begins to dry out so be patient. as for molasses its sugar content can cause ph changes but nothing that can be washed out with good old water it is a miracle nute and completely organic so you wont burn ur plants on another note wait till u check ur ph in a few days or even a week before feeding again no point in putting the ph back up even further, we thats it for the mo but ricky if you can post a pic up in a week or so to see how they are doing that would be cool and thanks for the compliment KAT