Curling tips, brown spots & some yellowing help!!! w/pics

[arthurchronic]

My first grow, chose 10 germinated seeds from regs to test grow (and smoke why not) before using my super chronic seeds...ok that said its;

-Indoor closet room good ventilation with fan big window with plenty of breeze comming in right next to it, surfaces painted with reflective white paint.

-Temperature & humidity are within parameters.

-Organic steralized soiless mix (from local garden store) with worm castings & small white pebbles for drainage..combined PH of 7.0, drains very well.

-250W HSP, 250W MH + 4 fluorescent lights (should i even use flourescents at all?) all bout 5 inch from plants on 18/6 on/off.

-pots 3.5 galon, water plants bout every 3 or 4 days.

-my tap water PH is 7.5 , runoff out of container PH of 7.0, 2nd week runoff went to 8.0 corrected it within 2-3 days kept it very close 7.0 after that.


i germinated the seeds and transplanted only once from small pots to the 3 gallon, theyre 2 weeks and 2 days old. the problem was i left to the beach with my friends this weekend for 3 days when we got back i found the leaves from my plants were curling downward and some of them with retarded random growth. the lower leaves have brown spots and some withered almost completely, some turned yellowish from base to tips.

i realized today the fertilizer i was using was one of those N based time release pellet things and blamed it on that entirely after finding out they kill your plants...i transplanted all plants today to new pots with a new soil mix (same as the first), flushed out all the soil and pellets from the root balls carefully, planted and watered. the plants are very droopy. i bought some all purpose 20-18-20 easy soluble fert that im gonna start using with the water once the plants get some strengh (if the roots survive the terrible experience that is) my question is 1. will my plants recuperate from the nutrient lock coz of the ph raise or is it too late? and 2. is the reason maybe something else im overlooking?

All plants are the same age.

6 plants under lights:























5 plants that didnt fit in grow space, i have them in the balcony with plenty of sun on natural cycle:













thanksssssssssss

[Klutter]

hahah...man I love growin' bagseed. Never know what the fuck is gonna come up.

First - when you 'transplanted' them to new soil - they most likely (about 95% sure) went into shock from that experience...depending on what exactly was done.

Sounds like after you moved them to the new home ya then flushed them... this also can cause shock if they still had some of that time released fert in their soil (which I assume they did). More water just releases more nutrients in those situations.

Lastly - sounds like a lot of moving/shaking and waterin' goin on. I'd recommend: Stop doing everything. Do not feed them. Dont water them. Dont do anything. Wait...and I believe in time, maybe 1-2 weeks, you'll see em perk right up.

Then it may become a situation where you're dealing with fert-burn...hehe

[arthurchronic]

Originally Posted by Klutter

hahah...man I love growin' bagseed. Never know what the fuck is gonna come up.

First - when you 'transplanted' them to new soil - they most likely (about 95% sure) went into shock from that experience...depending on what exactly was done.

Sounds like after you moved them to the new home ya then flushed them... this also can cause shock if they still had some of that time released fert in their soil (which I assume they did). More water just releases more nutrients in those situations.

Lastly - sounds like a lot of moving/shaking and waterin' goin on. I'd recommend: Stop doing everything. Do not feed them. Dont water them. Dont do anything. Wait...and I believe in time, maybe 1-2 weeks, you'll see em perk right up.

Then it may become a situation where you're dealing with fert-burn...hehe

Ok maybe i confused you, i was using that time release crap mixed in with the soil UNTILL i got back from the 3 day trip and found the plants in the state they were (yellowish leaves, brown spots, curling down) i read up and realized the time release pellets burn yer roots and kill yer plants, which was my stupid noob mistake...also the PH of the soil was up to 8. So i prepared 6 new pots with a completely new soilless mix with worm castings and small white rock and everything EXEPT the pellets. Removed plants and rinsed root balls thoroughly removing all soil and pellets and transplanted as carefully as possible...did not flush the new pots, only moistened the soil and added a bit of root growth hormone, packaging says it also aids when transplanting. PH of soil was now 7.0. I wont feed em anything only water for the time being. My question is if its too late already shud i not bother and start over?

ill post new pictures in a couple of days so that you guys see if the situation is maneagable.

another question, my tap water's ph seems a little high (7.5 almost 8), what can i use to mix with it before watering to lower ph?

thankssss agaiiin

[sling]

walmart/pet store/home depot/lowes, all will have PH up/down. I'd spend $20 on a faucet filter too, just to knock some of the crap out of the water.

As for the plants, just go as you normally would at this point....they're going to look like crap for every bit of 10 to 14 days but you'll start seeing new growth on them eventually, just don't get discouraged, and don't feed them, the worm castings and stuff plus the normal waterings will get them through recovery. You probably saved their lives at the cost of a couple extra weeks of veg. I say that's better than dead plants.

What are your temps like under the lights?

Good luck!

[arthurchronic]

Originally Posted by sling

walmart/pet store/home depot/lowes, all will have PH up/down. I'd spend $20 on a faucet filter too, just to knock some of the crap out of the water.

As for the plants, just go as you normally would at this point....they're going to look like crap for every bit of 10 to 14 days but you'll start seeing new growth on them eventually, just don't get discouraged, and don't feed them, the worm castings and stuff plus the normal waterings will get them through recovery. You probably saved their lives at the cost of a couple extra weeks of veg. I say that's better than dead plants.

What are your temps like under the lights?

Good luck!

I agree with you, will get me a faucet filter and a ph down. i live in dominican republic though we dont have those retailers but ill try the local pet shops (also i read somewhere you can use vinegar in combination with water to lower the ph is that true? if so that would be easy, wouldnt that affect the taste though? dunno.) my temps at the moment shift between 70-78 degrees and on hot days up to 80-85 degrees, the fan is a life saver though, the temps here rise up to 95 even 100 sometimes coz of the hot tropical climate. the plants seem to enjoy the weather here though ill tell you that much, also im in an apartment in the last floor so its relatively cool and windy.

anyways will post a picture update in a week or so. thank you for all the useful comments. will keep everything in mind.

thank u

[White_Widow_Man]

Originally Posted by Klutter

hahah...man I love growin' bagseed. Never know what the fuck is gonna come up.

First - when you 'transplanted' them to new soil - they most likely (about 95% sure) went into shock from that experience...depending on what exactly was done.

Sounds like after you moved them to the new home ya then flushed them... this also can cause shock if they still had some of that time released fert in their soil (which I assume they did). More water just releases more nutrients in those situations.

Lastly - sounds like a lot of moving/shaking and waterin' goin on. I'd recommend: Stop doing everything. Do not feed them. Dont water them. Dont do anything. Wait...and I believe in time, maybe 1-2 weeks, you'll see em perk right up.

Then it may become a situation where you're dealing with fert-burn...hehe

On the money is, Klutter, and I love that Sig, its so true

Originally Posted by toastybiz
Please don't double post. The answers don't get any better the second time.

[arthurchronic]

im now almost sure the problem with my plants was that base tapwater i was using to water the plants. kept on trying to keep ph round 7 but runoff always kept pushing to 8. that said, the issue is nutrient deficiency from root lock up because of alkaline soil...now, why does it look like nutrient burn? the tips were curling down, browning and withering...rust spots also appeared on lower fan leaves. is that normal? how can you tell nute deficiency from nute burn from over feeding?

im now using destilled drinking water to water plants in new pots...ph of water before watering is between 6.0-6.5, and the run off is 7.0 because i made the mistake of giving the new soil the first watering with the base tap water.

any suggestions? something im missing? anything?

thanksssss

[arthurchronic]

ok question, my plants are recuperating very slowly in the new pots. i have 5 other plants outside that are growing fine. should i switch those with my sick plants since the growth is stunted and let them from the high ph? i just want to save time and put the healthy ones under the lights since they grow alot faster