quick help (yes i've searched...) I HAVE PICS

[sandstorm412]

whats good GC??? so.... i have a beautiful girl, two actually, and they are both displaying the same problem, tiny brown spotting, followed by yellowing and the brown spots taking over the leaf and at times turning gray. i flushed yesterday with ph corrected water, but it still is traveling up the plant and i dont want either of my babies dying before harvest.

specs:
strain- electric fruit punch (highgrade-seeds.com)
life cycle-3rd week flower (9 week phase)
light- irrelevent, its big enough
plants-2
soil-FF happy frog with 1/3 perlite
pots-2 gal grow bags
water-24 hour tap, ph adjusted to 6.4-6.8
runoff- not sure
nutes-none

and now for the pics
first 3 pics show the beginning stages of this





second 2 pics show the middle stage




third 2 pics show the result



and this is the girl these leaves were taken from, please help me let her live another 6 weeks so i can brutally murder her =)


these pictures show how it has reached the very top of my baby =/ probably not a good thing


so anyone know what is wrong? she has been progressively getting worse in the past week. i THINK it looks like a manganese deficiency, but im really not sure. Any suggestions and comments are welcome, and proposed solutions are even better (yeah ill +rep you... i just find that the rep system is a little over emphasized when help is needed, as if a +rep makes your yield 10kg per plant SOG... (whups long rant (whups nested perens))) <- gotta close all the perens or it wont compile . Finally do you think she will survive the next 6 weeks if i take care of her right?

thanks all,
-sandstorm

[HomerK]

My first guess was Manganese. You could try feeding her a couple of teaspoons of epsom salts diluted in a gallon of water.

[White_Widow_Man]

Originally Posted by HomerK

My first guess was Manganese. You could try feeding her a couple of teaspoons of epsom salts diluted in a gallon of water.

so anyone know what is wrong?
she has been progressively getting worse in the past week. i THINK it looks like a manganese deficiency, but im really not sure. Any suggestions and comments are welcome, and proposed solutions are even better (yeah ill +rep you... i just find that the rep system is a little over emphasized when help is needed, as if a +rep makes your yield 10kg per plant SOG... (whups long rant (whups nested perens))) <- gotta close all the perens or it wont compile . Finally do you think she will survive the next 6 weeks if i take care of her right?
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TOXICITY

How about, a flush, before anything. That's the proper way to do it. Take 1.5 ( normal is 3 times ) your Medium ( what holds the soil ) and use that water, to flush ( 60-70 degree plz ). Now the next few day's, give only, one quarter, what you've been feeding.
Then after around 5 days, slowly, increase your feed again, to only 1/3rd, what you were feeding before. That should solve your problems.

No, don't rep me, as you don't have the points yet.

Best of Luck,


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[ganjaganja]

you gotta get the pH of the runoff if you want to properly fix and figure out what is wrong

[sandstorm412]

Originally Posted by HomerK

My first guess was Manganese. You could try feeding her a couple of teaspoons of epsom salts diluted in a gallon of water.

that was my first guess, just wasnt sure... thanks i repped ya

to others:
i flushed yesterday, problem persists. do not know the ph of the runoff, sorry just got a wee bit lazy since i flushed em anyways. so 2 teaspoons per gal of water? would i flush it again with this solution? or would i just normally water it with 2tsp epsom salt/gal? also, do you know if epsom salt is acidic or basic? i just would like to know if it will raise or lower my ph.

side note:
has anyone had experence using 1 cup powdered dolomite lime per cubic foot of soil when you are initially mixing your soil? i hear its supposed to be sort of a "PH buffer" keeping the soils ph closer to the range required.

thanks again all,
-sandstorm412

[White_Widow_Man]

Originally Posted by sandstorm412

that was my first guess, just wasnt sure... thanks i repped ya

to others:
i flushed yesterday, problem persists. do not know the ph of the runoff, sorry just got a wee bit lazy since i flushed em anyways. so 2 teaspoons per gal of water? would i flush it again with this solution? or would i just normally water it with 2tsp epsom salt/gal? also, do you know if epsom salt is acidic or basic? i just would like to know if it will raise or lower my ph.

side note:
has anyone had experence using 1 cup powdered dolomite lime per cubic foot of soil when you are initially mixing your soil? i hear its supposed to be sort of a "PH buffer" keeping the soils ph closer to the range required.

thanks again all,
-sandstorm412

Not good, to late in the game, and if you just flushed, how long ago?

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[White_Widow_Man]

Originally Posted by ganjaganja

you gotta get the pH of the runoff if you want to properly fix and figure out what is wrong

pH of the runoff, more or less, what I'm stating, with the flush, that takes over a week, before you see ANY results.

[sandstorm412]

my flush was yesterday.
im not talking about adding dolomite lime to the soil now, im talking when you first mix your soil up.
and does anyone else think this looks like a lack of manganese?

and also should i be adding epsom salt for subsequent waterings?

thanks again,
-sandstorm

[White_Widow_Man]

Originally Posted by sandstorm412

my flush was yesterday.
im not talking about adding dolomite lime to the soil now, im talking when you first mix your soil up.
and does anyone else think this looks like a lack of manganese?

lack of manganese, is TOXICITY.

Look at my log, and tell me I don't know what I saying ?


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[White_Widow_Man]

I'm gone, best luck, with your plants.

I am and was, only trying to assist you, in your dilemma.

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[sandstorm412]

Originally Posted by White_Widow_Man

lack of manganese, is TOXICITY.

Look at my log, and tell me I don't know what I saying ?


Regards


I'm gone, best luck, with your plants.

I am and was, only trying to assist you, in your dilemma.

Regards

umm are you serious dude? ive been nothing but courteous and nice to you, in fact i replied nicely to your posts that were answered in previous posts. you obviously did not read my thread, all of the information you requested was posted before you asked. Not once was i ever mean or inconsiderate, i even gave you a + rep before you got all pissy on me.

[White_Widow_Man]

Originally Posted by sandstorm412

umm are you serious dude? ive been nothing but courteous and nice to you, in fact i replied nicely to your posts that were answered in previous posts. you obviously did not read my thread, all of the information you requested was posted before you asked. Not once was i ever mean or inconsiderate, i even gave you a + rep before you got all pissy on me.

I'm sorry, if I came off that way, It's just, a hundred new, same problems float in here each day.

Perhaps we can, fix your problem.
As for Rep, you can't GIVE any, it is worth 0 points. I pointed that out above.

What would you like to do, if anything.

Mag, Is a bad Idea, as per the conditions of your plant, I did read your post, I copied and pasted it as well.

Cm on man. I'm your friend, not the bogyman. There is a ton of wacko jobs here, and I, don't even compare to them.


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[White_Widow_Man]

Question,
Where ( if any ) are your lights placed ( near the plant )? . 1 foot, 2, 5 inches ?


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[sandstorm412]

alright then...

you suggested that i flush them with 3x their pots volume, ive done that.
you say over the next few waterings i should feed it less, what do you mean less? less nutrients or less water? because i am not feeding nor have i ever fed this nutrients. and if its less water, should i add epsom salt to that water?
also you said it looks like toxicity, how does that differ from manganese deficiency? and you said "mag is a bad idea" what do you mean by that? is it that magnesium (Mg) is a bad idea or manganese(Mn), if it were a Mn deficiency as was suggested by another, would epsom salt not solve my problem?

thanks again,
sandstorm

[sandstorm412]

Originally Posted by White_Widow_Man

Question,
Where ( if any ) are your lights placed ( near the plant )? . 1 foot, 2, 5 inches ?

1-400w hps 12 inches away from bulb in an enclosed reflector. temp is constant 80 degrees F at the top of the girls