two questions

[newguy0220]

does anyone know what it means when your leaves grow in a circular pattern? I don't mean curling tips or wrinkles, just the leaves actually growing in a circle, like a dog chasing its tail. also, what is a good alternative to chemical ph up? i think i read somewhere about using concentrated lemon juice, but I'm not sure . thanks

[Anony]

Well, we need pictures and more information to tell you exactly whats going on, but if I had to guess based on what little info you gave, proly pH twist. However curling can be caused by many things.
I personally dont recommend using substitutes as pH up is ideal and takes out other variables, however since you havnt stated anything about your setup, heres some general info I have copied from where? You guessed it! Google! What a shock.



Here are some ph buffers when your ph is too high: Use these SOIL PH Adjustments to lower your ph: sawdust, composted leaves, wood chips, cottonseed meal, leaf mold and peat moss. Sawdust, composted leaves, woodchips and, lemon juice, PH DOWN.

Hydro PH Adjustments: PH Down (vinegar and lemon juices are good for soil, but not recommended for hydro use) Phosphoric acid during flowering and Nitric acid for vegtative growth.Thanks goes out to syko2 for that one! (Only quality PH buffers should be used to adjust ph and be sure the buffer and nutrient work's well together.)

Here are some that will raise the ph: use these SOIL Adjustments when your ph is to low: PH UP, dolomite lime, hardwood ash, bone meal, crushed marble, or crushed oyster shells, potassium hydroxide <--- Thank you Uncle Ben!

Hydro Adjustments: PH UP,lime,potassium hydroxide and potassium sillicate .(Only quality PH buffers should be used to adjust ph and be sure the buffer and nutrient work's well together.)