where it buds its YELLOW!!!

[Bronco07]

Ok i posted this earlier but i got a picture now...

the overall plant looks healthy, but the leaves around where its suppose to bud are yellow, and the fan leaves around where the white hairs are beginning to grow are dying. I used fertilizer on the plants, been watering them 1-2 times a week, its been hot out, but I just can't figure out why its only yellowing around where it buds, and I'm afraid it won't bud.

WHATS WRONG? is it too late to fix this problem???

PLEASE HELP. THANK YOU!!

HERES A PICTURE!!! i dont know if its clear enough. but hopefully someone can see.



CAN THIS BE SAVED????

[Gamarglephunk]

damn dude havent seen that one b4, i wish i could help ya out man maybe theres some sort of toxin in the ground, try digging up some dirt from next to the plant and run a PH test i suppose it could be from being too acidic or basic. i could be completely wrong but it cant hurt to try anyway. the problem with outdoor growing is theres no run-off to test so i guess its the next best thing. GL hope they get better man.

[Gamarglephunk]

just got this from a troubleshooting site i have bookmarked

a) Leaves are light green or yellow beginning at the base, while the leaf
margins remain green. Necrotic spots may be between veins. Leaves are not twisted. >> Manganese (Mn) deficiency.

- Manganese - Mn gets locked out when the pH is too high, and when there's too much iron. Use
chelated Mn.

you dont have the necrosis but it says "may" so idk. idk where youd get manganese from either but ill do some reasearch and be back in a bit.

EDIT: you can get manganese in pill form as a vitamin (i guess you can crush it up and mix it with the water)

in case you were wondering the troubleshooting site is http://www.marijuana2.com/growing/nu...ders_guide.php

[Ganja Guerrilla]

Man thats cool, I've never seen anything that pronounced

Im guessing you have lockout nutrients with bad PH from your fertilizer,I believe its Iron

did this happen in a relatively short time or has this always been there and progressing.

I think you should dig down an inch or 2 in the soil at the base of your plant get a couple table spoons of soil add enough PH corrected water (6.5 -6.8 optimum pH) to make a slurry, now using a PH pen type meter or ph litmus strips measure the PH of this slurry

If you find the the PH is below 6.5 -6.8 optimum pH start flushing the plant let the garden hose run on it for an hour or so

post the PH here

[Gamarglephunk]

Originally Posted by Ganja Guerrilla

Man thats cool, I've never seen anything that pronounced

Im guessing you have lockout nutrients with bad PH from your fertilizer,I believe its Iron

did this happen in a relatively short time or has this always been there and progressing.

I think you should dig down an inch or 2 in the soil at the base of your plant get a couple table spoons of soil add enough PH corrected water (6.5 -6.8 optimum pH) to make a slurry, now using a PH pen type meter or ph litmus strips measure the PH of this slurry

If you find the the PH is below 6.5 -6.8 optimum pH start flushing the plant let the garden hose run on it for an hour or so

post the PH here

HAHAHAHAHA THATS HILARIOUS i was just guessing out of simple logic and we both got the same answer!

[Ganja Guerrilla]

what are the odds of that, I didnt seven ee your posts I was dinkin around

[Bronco07]

oh man I think im running out of time, alright ill do the test tomorrow and get back to you. so if its below that # i flush it out with water??? ive been flushing cuz i thought it was the fertilizer but not for an hour, maybe 3... 5 gallon buckets i got more that are like this. its a mess.

I just would like someone to tell me am i in bad shape or is this fixable?

Oh and has anyone ever seen something like this???

[Ganja Guerrilla]

yeah we will get you sorted out

[Bronco07]

the PH was 5.9... but if i gotta flush... I have no hose leading to these, i take 5 gallon buckets and water them from a pond! so shit, can these be saved? or am I screwed?

No ones seen this situation before??? i can't believe that, if someones had it like that let me know ASAP what can be done to save these if u can. thanks!

[Ganja Guerrilla]

I suspected ph was locking you out

iron I believe, anycase this is fixable

flush, flush flush, atleast you have a pond and arent humpin water in

after you feel you have flushed enough of the acidity away, 50% strenght of all purpose fertilizer that contains micro nutes

[Gamarglephunk]

see if you cant bring something like a metal rod to poke straight down around your plants since outdoor soil tends to compact itself and water just rolls off the surface. hope they get better soon!

[urgr8estfear]

Ahhh bullshit! (pardon my French)
pH 5.9 isn't that bad for soil, especially not when growing outside, nothing is perfect there.
Not far off from the optimal 6.3 so don't worry about the pH.

The symptom appears to be Iron deficiency.
For Iron to be pH locked out the pH has to drop below pH 4.0, so it's definately not a pH problem!!!!!
It can be locked out however by very and permanently wet soil, which I doubt because then you'd have more issues.
High phophorous, high zinc, high manganese or high copper can cause this as well.
(in which case you're fucked since flushing soil outside for this is practically impossible)

Conclusion : just add some water with some nutes which contains iron.
And don't expect the yellow part to become green again ; iron is a non-translocatable nute.

[Ganja Guerrilla]

Ahhh bullshit! (pardon my French)
pH 5.9 isn't that bad for soil, especially not when growing outside, nothing is perfect there.

oh really , arent you full of yourself again , Please forgive urgr8estfear.
He's one of those seen-it-alls know-it-alls. yet is always wrong


if you had read......... , & know what you think you know you'd realize that a PH slurry test from an outdoor grow, isnt going to be the same or as effecient when your only scraping the top layer of soil for testing, this top layer is also the layer that gets watered down/leeched first.

soil grows optimum PH are 6.5 - 6.8 but chances are if you go deeper than the top 2 inches of soil your going to find an even more concentration of the salts and acids, the top layer gets watered down first, just as in the cases we see here weekly with re-occurring acidic rootballs (you remember this problem you had), so @ 5.5ph when most nutes get locked out of a soil grow & hes only 4/10ths away!
WTF its not concievable if you tested deeper than the suface it will be more acidic, 4/10ths aint a far stretch , yeah

this wasnt a soil runoff test genius, if the top layer is getting sour and the plant is locked out iron then Id guess the PH deeper is lower locking out iron , yeah

and didnt you have loads of PH trouble and understanding PH when you called bullshit on me last time , still stumbling I see....

a curious pattern......all the mouths around here lately, have grow journals, yall became experts 1/2 way thru again this year

NEXT

[urgr8estfear]

Are you actually reading these posts or just skimming through the pretty pictures?

Originally Posted by urgr8estfear

......For Iron to be pH locked out the pH has to drop below pH 4.0, so it's definately not a pH problem!!!!!

Iron is best absorbed in pH levels 4.0 through 6.5
My source for this information?
I'm not telling YOU!
You would just use it convince people you're God's gift to Grasscity and upgrade your own website.
But I just PM-ed the thread starter so he may verify it and safe his plant.
Have a nice day!

[Ganja Guerrilla]

great response there DOC Kevorkian all you did was copy & paste iron absorbtion facts, thats wasnt any help since we dont give a rats ass at the moment of when its "best" absorbed, are you sleeping there, we care about when nutes gets locked out ....do you see the problem here DOC.....the PH is dropping, can you follow

But you dont know what the feckin PH is and neither does the poor guy that owns the plant so your just
shooting off your mouth with double talk AGAIN instead of addressing the issue here the guys soil ph is low from a slurry test so its safe to bet its lower ph the lower we go in the soil since we cant complete a soil ph runoff test, maybe low enough to lockout Iron there big shot

Im used to your double talk & lies when your confronted with logic , so Ill point it out each time ...OK DOC