concerned about flowering/wilting with PIX

[booyaa]

hi gc!

Let me start by saying:
This is my first attempt at growing...

anyone happen to know what my problem may be here?

I am using regular potting soil with 20% perlite and 20% vermiculite.

my setup is as follows

400 watt switchable system (currently using hps)
(2) 55 watt CFL
(1) 85 watt CFL
6" vortex axial fan (with homemade carbon scrubber)
vortex fan for circulation

I am 15 days (12/12 cycle for 22 days) into flower and until now everything has been going well. I noticed the Aurora Indica plant has been doing some wilting around the top of the plant around the bud sites. I am not sure what my problem is. There doesnt seem to be any yellowing just curling under and wilting.

my nutes and additives are as follows:

Earth Juice Grow and Micro for Veg
Earth Juice Bloom for Flower
Black strap molasses once a month (so far)

I have mainly been feeding every other watering (about once a week)
I have a moisture meter and do the finger test before watering.

It could be overwatering but I try to be extremely careful NOT to overwater.

I just foliar fed with Kelp and Earth Juice Micro this morning to try to correct this issue.

Thanks for your input





heres a couple of my other plant which seems to be doing fine...

[chimera]

Thats no wilting, Check out the sick plant section under Phosphorus def. I think.

[booyaa]

thanks chimera.. would that phos def manifest itself in just the top part of the plant new growth portion?

[Shouse1018]

maybe I'm missing something?? I don't see Phos def

just looks a little overwatered. . .

[booyaa]

Shouse1018 thanks for the response.

i am perplexed... i don't want to sit back and lose these babies

so far I have
1) a possible phosphorus deficiency
2) a possible overwater..

any other suggestions I dont want to compound my problem by adding or holding out on things if that isnt the problem

thanks again for the input chimera and Shouse1018 I really appreciate it.

[wiggum]

Just cut back on the watering schedule. Don't follow a set "schedule"...let your plants tell you when they are thirsty. They tell you this by their topsoil. If the top inch or two are still moist when stirring the soil..stir down to around an inch or two...do not add water.
Even with a severely rootbound plants...like I have...I still wait (and am careful when checking soil moisture, as not to damage the roots) until the TOPSOIL is dry.
Because none of the lower and older leaves are wilting...it's likely not a deficiency. Just look and listen to your plants....follow the proper watering procedures....and the problem will correct itself.

[wiggum]

Man, sorry to write again...but also make sure this is not an underwatering problem. Follow the general rule of thumb...if the top inch or two is DRY...add some water/nutes...whatever your schedule is. If the top inch or two is moist...hold off.
Looking at your pics...you don't have a nute deficiency...your leaves are perfectly healthy. I think this is purely a watering problem.
Course, I have been known to be wrong.

Keep us posted, man.

[SmknVTEC]

Originally Posted by booyaa

my nutes and additives are as follows:

Earth Juice Grow and Micro for Veg
Earth Juice Bloom for Flower
Black strap molasses once a month (so far)

See how you are giving it EJG and Micro grow for veg? These plants are getting too much nitrogen. This will be seen as super dark green leaves [which you have] and leaves folding down like you have. Read the paragraph in this link right above " Nitrogen being locked ut by pH troubles".
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.p...8&page=1&pp=15

[chimera]

Originally Posted by SmknVTEC

See how you are giving it EJG and Micro grow for veg? These plants are getting too much nitrogen. This will be seen as super dark green leaves [which you have] and leaves folding down like you have. Read the paragraph in this link right above " Nitrogen being locked ut by pH troubles".
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.p...8&page=1&pp=15

After a second look I agree to much nitrogen. Sorry about the first misdiagnosis.

[ph0neman]

thanks guys... i read the section you suggested

"Problems with Nitrogen being locked out by PH troubles.
Waterlogged soil and Soil with low organic matter.

Nitrogen is a very important element in the plant, all of them are but some are more important than others. For soil the best ph to have is 6.8. Why? Because at 6.8, that’s the best number for ALL available nutrients to be absorbed into the plant without any of them being locked out. For hydro and soil less mediums best ph to have is around 5.8.
Try not to keep your plants to cold, because the cold temps will cause the nitrogen harder for the plant to be absorbed."

does this mean i can flush and i should be okay.. or what would you suggest i do this point to try to correct this issue?

i have a crappy rapitest meter and it shows the ph is alright (if its accurate)

thanks again

[SmknVTEC]

I wanted him to read the section above nitrogen and pH. It was pertaining to too much N. Regardless, just flush and kick back on the nutes for a bit.

[dr green]

i dont see a ph reading? just so you know earth juice bloom lowers my 6.5 tap water to 4.1 in a 1 tsp per gallon ratio just cut the bloom in half or add ph up till 6.5 personley i changed nutes cause it was a pain in the balls...lol

[booyaa]

excellent advice everyone thank you so much for the assistance. i would be lost without you guys. i have learned so much here and everyday i learn more. thanks for helping me out.

and dr green i have a cheap old meter and the ph says its 6.8 -7.0. i dont have a more accurate way of testing.

i need to get a digital and test the runoff.

and thanks for the heads up about the ph when using EJ.

[dr green]

another thing booyaa i use to have a cheap ph meter too and it said 6.8 all the time even though my plants looked horrible and i couldnt figure out what i was doing wrong then i decided to buy some 7.1 and 4.1 calibration fluid even though there was no way to calibrate it, i could at least see if it was accurate and low and behold it read 7 with the 7 cal ..... and this is it what does it read with the 4.1 ??? oh 7.0, great thats cute i said, so i saved some cash and bought a haana wand and tested the god awful looking plants i called my mothers and whatta ya know 3.8 yes my lady's were still kicking at 3.8 so a word of very good advice get a good ph meter and keep it calibrated because if your going to grow indoors you might as well get the most for your money especially if your buying good nutes cause if the ph isnt right then all that money is just drying up in the soil .. but yours look much better then mine did at the time so no need to worry yet just keep it in the back of your head good luck and cant wait to see the harvest!!

[booyaa]

Originally Posted by dr green

another thing booyaa i use to have a cheap ph meter too and it said 6.8 all the time even though my plants looked horrible and i couldnt figure out what i was doing wrong then i decided to buy some 7.1 and 4.1 calibration fluid even though there was no way to calibrate it, i could at least see if it was accurate and low and behold it read 7 with the 7 cal ..... and this is it what does it read with the 4.1 ??? oh 7.0, great thats cute i said, so i saved some cash and bought a haana wand and tested the god awful looking plants i called my mothers and whatta ya know 3.8 yes my lady's were still kicking at 3.8 so a word of very good advice get a good ph meter and keep it calibrated because if your going to grow indoors you might as well get the most for your money especially if your buying good nutes cause if the ph isnt right then all that money is just drying up in the soil .. but yours look much better then mine did at the time so no need to worry yet just keep it in the back of your head good luck and cant wait to see the harvest!!

interesting to know about the meters... i really dont trust that shitty meter.. it ALWAYS reads the same ph no matter what medium i put it into.

i did order a hi98129 (hanna) so that should allow me to better monitor my water and what goes into my babies.

Thanks for the response i appreciate you taking the time to read and give me some advice about the meters.