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Metalace · #1 (**permalink**) 08-03-2006, 10:13 PM

Yes im having serious serious problems with my babies. I just transplanted a few to there own pots with half mgrow pot mix and half white pellets that are post to help the soil n stuff. Well i noticed now all my plants have these small yellow brown spots on them and some have been totaly consumed with the spots n the leaves are dried n have died. Also there curling down. I have them in pretty big pots i usually water every other day cause it gets alot of sun and the sun drys out the soil fast. I was wondering if you could save them. There about 2-3 weeks old. Thx
also just checked me looks like the somethings draining the Chlorophyll from them. cause some of the leaves were clear

MynameStitch · #2 (**permalink**) 08-04-2006, 04:33 AM

can you answer some of these questions also look for bugs on your leaves, if they are clear or white looking you have pest issues

ARE YOU USING?

SOIL:
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
What substrate/medium are you using? (percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)
What Nutrient's are you using? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"?
What method of pH test was administered?
When was your last water?
When was your last feeding?
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?
Are plant's infected with pest's?

HYDROPONICS:

What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using?
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)
What is the Nutrient temperature?
What Nutrient's are you using?
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using?
What is the pH of the "Tank"?
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment?
When was your last watering?
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor?
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?
Are plant's infected with pest's

Metalace · #3 (**permalink**) 08-04-2006, 09:10 AM

SOIL:
What STRAIN are you growing? idk bagseed
What was the establishing technique? seed
What is the age of your plants? 2-3 weeks
What PHASE are the plants in? 2-3 weeks growing so vegetative
What Technique are you using? outdoor growth
What size pots are you using? 1 small one 4 med size pots n 1 large one
What substrate/medium are you using? 50% Mgrow potting mix 50% perlite on 4 pots the rest are in just M grow potting mix
What Nutrient's are you using? *Knowing the brand is very helpful* Mgro all plant food
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? idk havent looked
What method of pH test was administered? havent
When was your last water? today i gave them more water then usualy just incase of burns from the light dose
When was your last feeding? Weds
What size bulb are you using? outside growth
What is the distance to the canopy? none
What is your RH Factor? idk
What is the canopy temperature? dont have one
What is the Day/Night Temp? i live in the south so about 80-90 day night 50-70
What is the current Air Flow? idk wind ?
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? yes i grow outdoors never seemed to hurt em b4
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? yes only when tops are dry
Is your water HARD or SOFT? Hard
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? No
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? Mgrow wed small dose lots of water.
Are plant's infected with pest's? None seen Used sevin dust tho.

Stoend · #4 (**permalink**) 08-04-2006, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metalace

SOIL:
Is your water HARD or SOFT? Hard

lol wtf?

Metalace · #5 (**permalink**) 08-04-2006, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stoend

lol wtf?

Ok man spam. I need help. You are not helping so plz dont spam with noobie crap. also if u dont know anything about hard or soft water plz dont post on my thread

SmknVTEC · #6 (**permalink**) 08-04-2006, 11:43 PM

Does you MG potting mix have any nutes in it? Something that says time release?

Metalace · #7 (**permalink**) 08-05-2006, 12:07 AM

Yes it says it will feed up to 3 months. i added some 13-13-13 pellets a hour ago should i go take it off? I thought it might need some nitrogen so i added the 3x13. not alot just a bit on the soil. still need to take it off b4 it kills the plants or?

SmknVTEC · #8 (**permalink**) 08-05-2006, 06:05 AM

Even though you are growing outside, I still think the time release ferts are bad. Yes take off all fertilizer. Marijane does not need any nutes for the first 3 weeks of growth. I suspect your seedlings are being fed and are suffering from nute burn. See if stitch concurs.

infiniteawesome · #9 (**permalink**) 08-05-2006, 06:14 AM

yes, your plants most definately sound like they are getting burned by nutrients in the miraclegrow soil. you need to find something WITHOUT time release nutrients that are not available in most commercial garden soils.

Good Soil brand names that I've seen include:

Foxfarms
WhitneyFarms
Oceanfarms

etc.

Bad Soil Brands include:

Anything with "Time-Release-Nutrients" written ANYWHERE on the bag. In fact, anything with nutes in it are bad to start mj in as they have all the nutrients they need for the first three to five weeks of growth.

They will die within a few days if they are burning as badly as you say so your best bet is to get them out of that soil ASAP and into a medium without nutrients and a good drink of water.

Metalace · #10 (**permalink**) 08-05-2006, 06:46 AM

ok ill go take out the x13 right now.

DierWolf · #11 (**permalink**) 08-05-2006, 08:00 AM

sounds like a typical Miricle Grow grow to me.

what is it? people have no time to fert themselves so take this shortcut?

you dont need first for a good while even with regular potting mix, MG's slow time release crap sometimes (i should say most of the times) release it too fast.

Metalace · #12 (**permalink**) 08-05-2006, 08:24 AM

hmmmm idk if it is the Mgrow. Cause i used some cheap wal-mart brand topsoil on the small pot n they were doing the same as the others. But anyways i got 9 plants. I took off the x13. removed 1 inch of the top soil. Super drained em that is i used about 20 gallons of water to wash away all the extra nutrients from the soil. So they should work. ill repost in about a week to let u guys know how it goes. I would hate to lose them cause some are about 7 inches to 1 foot from the soil.

MynameStitch · #13 (**permalink**) 08-05-2006, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DierWolf

sounds like a typical Miricle Grow grow to me.

what is it? people have no time to fert themselves so take this shortcut?

you dont need first for a good while even with regular potting mix, MG's slow time release crap sometimes (i should say most of the times) release it too fast.

peeps stop dissin MG produts, if you fuck up with them its the growers mistake
ill post pics of the plants i grew using mg prodcuts, my first grow was 7 feet tall!
growing witha 400 watt hps in a phonebooth style grow room

the light didnt grow that plant completely you know

mg is good soil but with the new time released ferts you cant use it bare, you have to mix it down 50/50 with a different kind of soil so its not so strong

the only bad product made from mg you and other companies you want to stay away from is the moisture control mixtures

they retain to much water for cannabis

Metalace · #14 (**permalink**) 08-05-2006, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MynameStitch

peeps stop dissin MG produts, if you fuck up with them its the growers mistake
ill post pics of the plants i grew using mg prodcuts, my first grow was 7 feet tall!
growing witha 400 watt hps in a phonebooth style grow room

the light didnt grow that plant completely you know

mg is good soil but with the new time released ferts you cant use it bare, you have to mix it down 50/50 with a different kind of soil so its not so strong

the only bad product made from mg you and other companies you want to stay away from is the moisture control mixtures

they retain to much water for cannabis

Man that moisture control shit is the worst thing ever! i mixed some with half it n half another soil n it still sucked ass! My friend had a plant and it got about 2 foot high then died b/c of root rot.

MynameStitch · #15 (**permalink**) 08-06-2006, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metalace

Man that moisture control shit is the worst thing ever! i mixed some with half it n half another soil n it still sucked ass! My friend had a plant and it got about 2 foot high then died b/c of root rot.

exactly! see what i mean

thats why i stated moisture control sucks lol
it just retains way to much moisture for cannabis plants... im sure they did that on purpose lol

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#1 (permalink) 08-03-2006, 10:13 PM
Metalace Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 725	Seriously need help! Yes im having serious serious problems with my babies. I just transplanted a few to there own pots with half mgrow pot mix and half white pellets that are post to help the soil n stuff. Well i noticed now all my plants have these small yellow brown spots on them and some have been totaly consumed with the spots n the leaves are dried n have died. Also there curling down. I have them in pretty big pots i usually water every other day cause it gets alot of sun and the sun drys out the soil fast. I was wondering if you could save them. There about 2-3 weeks old. Thx also just checked me looks like the somethings draining the Chlorophyll from them. cause some of the leaves were clear Last edited by Metalace; 08-04-2006 at 12:31 AM.

#2 (permalink) 08-04-2006, 04:33 AM
MynameStitch Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 151	can you answer some of these questions also look for bugs on your leaves, if they are clear or white looking you have pest issues ARE YOU USING? SOIL: What STRAIN are you growing? What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?) What is the age of your plants? What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc) What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot) What substrate/medium are you using? (percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) What Nutrient's are you using? Knowing the brand is very helpful What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used? What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? What method of pH test was administered? When was your last water? When was your last feeding? What size bulb are you using? What is the distance to the canopy? What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) What is the canopy temperature? What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range) What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) Is the fan blowing directly at plants? Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? Is your water HARD or SOFT? Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? Are plant's infected with pest's? HYDROPONICS: What STRAIN are you growing? What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?) What is the age of your plants? What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? What Technique are you using? What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.) What is the Nutrient temperature? What Nutrient's are you using? What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using? What is the pH of the "Tank"? Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment? When was your last watering? When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional) What size bulb are you using? What is the distance to the canopy? What is your RH Factor? What is the canopy temperature? What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range) What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) Is the fan blowing directly at plants? Is your water HARD or SOFT? Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When? Are plant's infected with pest's

#3 (permalink) 08-04-2006, 09:10 AM
Metalace Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 725	SOIL: What STRAIN are you growing? idk bagseed What was the establishing technique? seed What is the age of your plants? 2-3 weeks What PHASE are the plants in? 2-3 weeks growing so vegetative What Technique are you using? outdoor growth What size pots are you using? 1 small one 4 med size pots n 1 large one What substrate/medium are you using? 50% Mgrow potting mix 50% perlite on 4 pots the rest are in just M grow potting mix What Nutrient's are you using? Knowing the brand is very helpful Mgro all plant food What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used? What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? idk havent looked What method of pH test was administered? havent When was your last water? today i gave them more water then usualy just incase of burns from the light dose When was your last feeding? Weds What size bulb are you using? outside growth What is the distance to the canopy? none What is your RH Factor? idk What is the canopy temperature? dont have one What is the Day/Night Temp? i live in the south so about 80-90 day night 50-70 What is the current Air Flow? idk wind ? Is the fan blowing directly at plants? yes i grow outdoors never seemed to hurt em b4 Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? yes only when tops are dry Is your water HARD or SOFT? Hard Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? No Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? Mgrow wed small dose lots of water. Are plant's infected with pest's? None seen Used sevin dust tho.

#6 (permalink) 08-04-2006, 11:43 PM
SmknVTEC Moderator Extraordinaire Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tornado Alley Posts: 6,573	Does you MG potting mix have any nutes in it? Something that says time release? __________________ "I build cars for young men that only old men can afford"- Enzo Ferrari (1898-1988) LED Thread http://forum.grasscity.com/general-i...ghts-pics.html PGAMG Thread http://forum.grasscity.com/general-i...acle-grow.html MG vs. Generic Soil Thread http://forum.grasscity.com/general-i...icle-grow.html

#7 (permalink) 08-05-2006, 12:07 AM
Metalace Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 725	Yes it says it will feed up to 3 months. i added some 13-13-13 pellets a hour ago should i go take it off? I thought it might need some nitrogen so i added the 3x13. not alot just a bit on the soil. still need to take it off b4 it kills the plants or?

#8 (permalink) 08-05-2006, 06:05 AM
SmknVTEC Moderator Extraordinaire Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tornado Alley Posts: 6,573	Even though you are growing outside, I still think the time release ferts are bad. Yes take off all fertilizer. Marijane does not need any nutes for the first 3 weeks of growth. I suspect your seedlings are being fed and are suffering from nute burn. See if stitch concurs. __________________ "I build cars for young men that only old men can afford"- Enzo Ferrari (1898-1988) LED Thread http://forum.grasscity.com/general-i...ghts-pics.html PGAMG Thread http://forum.grasscity.com/general-i...acle-grow.html MG vs. Generic Soil Thread http://forum.grasscity.com/general-i...icle-grow.html

#9 (permalink) 08-05-2006, 06:14 AM
infiniteawesome Ganja Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: So Cali, LA Posts: 1,916	yes, your plants most definately sound like they are getting burned by nutrients in the miraclegrow soil. you need to find something WITHOUT time release nutrients that are not available in most commercial garden soils. Good Soil brand names that I've seen include: Foxfarms WhitneyFarms Oceanfarms etc. Bad Soil Brands include: Anything with "Time-Release-Nutrients" written ANYWHERE on the bag. In fact, anything with nutes in it are bad to start mj in as they have all the nutrients they need for the first three to five weeks of growth. They will die within a few days if they are burning as badly as you say so your best bet is to get them out of that soil ASAP and into a medium without nutrients and a good drink of water. __________________ "It's bad karma to fuck with the stoned"-Hunter S. Thompson "Like Proust be an old teahead of time."-Jack Kerouac

#10 (permalink) 08-05-2006, 06:46 AM
Metalace Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 725	ok ill go take out the x13 right now.

#11 (permalink) 08-05-2006, 08:00 AM
DierWolf Ganja Guru Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Caribbean Posts: 4,238	sounds like a typical Miricle Grow grow to me. what is it? people have no time to fert themselves so take this shortcut? you dont need first for a good while even with regular potting mix, MG's slow time release crap sometimes (i should say most of the times) release it too fast. __________________ Signature removed for violation of the signature rule.

#12 (permalink) 08-05-2006, 08:24 AM
Metalace Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 725	hmmmm idk if it is the Mgrow. Cause i used some cheap wal-mart brand topsoil on the small pot n they were doing the same as the others. But anyways i got 9 plants. I took off the x13. removed 1 inch of the top soil. Super drained em that is i used about 20 gallons of water to wash away all the extra nutrients from the soil. So they should work. ill repost in about a week to let u guys know how it goes. I would hate to lose them cause some are about 7 inches to 1 foot from the soil.

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