The shitty herb enigma.....

[chiefMOJOrisin]

Recent events in my life have forced me to re-examine some aspects about buying/smoking herb. I would like to talk a little bit about shitty herb.

Shitty herb is a part of life. A very important part of life because it is what 95% of potheads smoked for their first time. Without shitty weed, we wouldn't know what dank herb is...there would just be...herb.

A couple days ago I purchased an eighth from my dealer. He also happens to be my best friend in addition to being my dealer for 5+ years. I trust his judgement so when he says something costs this much, I don't argue. However, this eighth was not up to par. But we'll get into that later......

The fall is my favorite time of year.... the weather in New England is perfect. The surroundings are scenic and beutiful.... and the outdoor herb flows freely. (I've said before and always will.... the best bud I EVER smoked was outdoor trainwreck.) Over the last 2 months or so I have been buying, without any hassles, outdoor hashplant ($50/eighth) and some random heady indoors ($60/eighth). But then all that ended.

As it turns out, my dealer's dealer's partner got fucking murdered in a very well-off area of Connecticut. He went to sell herb to some undesireables and they tried to rob him. He struggled, then they fucking shot him in the chest. He died on the way to the hospital. As a direct result, my dealer's dealer had to go to another source. And from that other source came my shitty herb.


Ya know when you get a bag thats full of buds that have been severely under-manicured, super whispy and stemmy, smells like hay and doesn't get you high?? Well thats what I got for 50 beans. I can only assume my buddy had this bud sprung on him because I find it hard to believe he would buy a q.p. of this garbage.


So I was thinking a lot about shitty bud. In my opinion, there are only 2 valid reasons why weed gets shitty....

1) The grower doesn't know what he/she is doing

2) The grower doesn't care about the product and thinks he's slick selling and making 60%+ profit.

Much more often it is the latter. We all know that dealers step all over coke and dope. Thats life. Thats how scumbags make money off addicts. To me, not putting the minimal effort into growing pot is a way dealers can 'cut' their product. If the grower knows what he is doing and still neglects the plants, he is cutting the herb.

All dealers look for ways to scam and make more cash. Growing herb incorrectly and passing it off as quality is one way. Another way is to not manicure their bud AT ALL!! For some crazy reason unbeknownst to me, people seem to think that bud with leaves all over gives it bag appeal. WRONG!!! It is the calling card of either a scheming grower, or lazy uninformed lame excuse for a grower. There are only two things you get from leaving leaves on the bud..... a pain in your wrist from manicuring, and shitty tasting bud.

There can't possibly be one TRUE pothead on this forum that thinks leaves are beneficial. Any TRUE pothead would take the time out (especially if its a headstash) to properly manicure their buds. Nugs without leaves all over it saves time when packing bowls, and lets the smoker actually see the crystally buds. After all, the trichomes riddle calyxs are what gets you high. Leaves don't add anything.


And why do dealers feel the need to bulk up their bags with 1-2" stems that have one calyx on the end of it?? Do they think they're slick?? The only thing that does is cause them to lose a customer and get reputation as a schemer. I have an obligation as a pothead. Every pothead has an obligation.... do unto other's herb as they would do unto yours. Basically, don't give/sell bud that you wouldn't want yourself.


Have you ever had a dealer hike up the price because he gave a front?? What the fuck is that?? For instance..... a bag cost 50$. You have no money until 3 days from now so you ask the for it on the arm...... the dealer then charges an extra 5$ because its a front. What reason does any person have to over charge for herb simply because its a front?? Does it cost that dealer 5 bux to front a bag?? NO! And saying its interest/collateral/anything else is bullshit. If the dealer thinks he might get burned.... DONT FRONT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!

There are so many reasons to grow your own bud.... but if you only need one, its because you can control the product. If you pull some Macgyvers it can be cheaper than a bag. I say us potheads start a revolution..... boycott the asshole dealers. And if a dealer is reading this......oh well.

To me, there is no such thing as shwag, mids, regs, and dank. Its only garbage, beasters, outdoors and headies. I can't remember the last time I smoked herb that had seeds in it. I won't even allow that kind of herb in my pipes. I don't know why people insist on growing/selling/smoking it. If everyone boycotted shit weed in addition to asshole dealers, maybe one day there would only be headies.

[eleven357]

This is along the same lines as, if we didn't have stupid people, there wouldn't be any smart people, which is totally true.

I agree, the first time I smoked marijuana, it wasn't the super dank. It was some shitty mexican brickweed. And I am glad that I smoked it so that I do know that it is shitty and that there is much better shit out there for me to enjoy.

**EDIT**

Futurama kicks ass, you seen the new movie, "Bender's Big Score"?

[EP879]

Yeah, Futurama does freakin' own. Nice reference, but anyway, well, if there were only "headies" as we call it now, then in the future, relative to the pot you have, what we call "kine bud" would then be referred to as absolute garbage. Quality is all relative.

[chiefMOJOrisin]

Yes futurama does kick ass. I have yet to see the new flic.... although I hear theres going to be 3-4 of them.

You live in New Haven, EP?? I live in Stratford. get ready for some classic Connecticut shore bullshit winter weather today (sunday). Snow, ice, freezing rain, sleet, rain. Connecticut is so bi-curious it can't figure out if its in new england or the atlantic coast.

[Hajimemashite]

You asked why do dealers keep leaves and stems in their bags, and as a former dealer myself I might be able to shed some light.

Personally, I NEVER sold stems, seeds, or leaves on my buds. Around my area it was kind of hard to find a reliable source, and I would often get stuck with shit bags like your friend did. However, I operated how you should, like you own a business. I was all about the customer. I, too, felt that you should do unto others herbs as you would have them do unto you. I could remember when I was a young buck and would get a bag that would have excessive stems, leaves, or seeds, and being totally pissed off and never want to deal with that person again. So, when it was my turn to deal, I made sure I never pulled any of that bullshit.

But, back to the reason WHY dealers do it. It comes down to two things, time and money. If you buy a lb. that has a lot of stems, leaves, and seeds, you have quite a lot of unwanted bullshit on your hands. Most dealers say fuck it and just pass it along the line. No one in the chain wants to suffer the loss, and they feel that since they got it they might as well pass it down the line. I remember one time, I bought a bag absolutely loaded with seeds. Luckily, I had a helpful sister that wouldn't mind workin with me for bong hits, so my time was reduced. But nonethelss, we spent over an hour going through the whole thing taking out the seeds just so people wouldn't be buying them. At the end of it all, the stems and seeds came to probably a half an ounce. That half an ounce could have been split among my bags and sold to everyone at a personal profit to me, but that's just bad business.

Dealers just don't want to own up and suffer a personal financial loss for their customers. It kind of sucks, but that's how most dealers are. They are lazy and they know they'll be able to sell their shit anyway.

EDIT: And about the fronting, I would NEVER charge extra to anyone. Most people I dealt with were my friends, but even those that I met through dealing I trusted enough to pay me. I asked people before I fronted for a reasonable time frame of when I could be expecting payment, and if not having that much money for that amount of time would be a big hassle, I would either offer to front less, or just explain the situation and apologize. Sometimes payment would be deferred for up to a month, but I could still operate without that money, and I knew that those people would be most appreciative for the favor.
Dealers are mostly just hustlers looking for the short term buck. They don't realize that generates bad customer relations and that while fronting free of charge might mean $5 less dollars right now, its going to pay off in the form of more business in the future.

So why do dealers charge extra for a front? Because they are stupid, short sighted, and don't understand how to run a business.

[needforweed420]

That whole post was invalid.

the point of growing and selling marijuana is to make money; just like any other business.

leaving the leaves on buds adds weight as well to help generate more money.

the leaves dont taste all that bad and believe it or not, they do have thc in them, so they do get you high and there is no reason to trim them off. This isnt the cannabis cup or a bud photo shoot for High Times magazine

and about the fronting thing,
you must be one greedy/stingy bastard. if someone is nice enough to front you some weed so you can get high and get your fix, you shouldn't complain about $5 more on price. After all they are doing you a favor. Seeing as how you only like headies and can spend 60/8th, i dont think $5 is gonna break your bank nor is it unreasonable to pay for a fronted sack.

Your dealer is doing you a favor every time he gets you bud. He risks himself to get you product. In return you shouldnt be stingy, you should be thankful. weed is illegal no matter the quality of the bud so be happy with what is available to you! if not. DONT BUY IT.

dealers have every right to charge what they think is fair for their labors. Who are you to criticize them? If you dont like it, dont buy it.
if you get a bad sack or arent happy with your dealer or bud...FIND A NEW CONNECT. simple as that.

[PhoenixPharmer]

I agree with some of what you said,
but,
I dont think growing shitty weed and 'cutting' a product are the same.

When a dealer 'cuts' a sack, its to add more weight to it. But when someone grows shitty bud, that doesnt benifit them in any way financially.

I know for sure no one goes,
"Hmmmm, I'm gonna start growing. But fuck that Chronic, I'm growing shwagg"

It's pretty much only because it was improperly cured/packaged/transported and stored. Not by choice of the grower.
More so because the grower lacks skills or is just lazy.

[Hajimemashite]

I know the point is to make money, my point is selling shit that just adds weight like stems or shit that's annoying like seeds, is just dumb. Its bad business. People will find new connects if possible. Noone is saying dealers can't do it, my point is that dealers that do are short sighted and not very intelligent people.

And about the fronting, I think its far more stingy to charge an extra 5 bucks just for a front. Again, you'll make money in the short run, but if there is someone else who will front it for the same price as just buying it, people will go to him instead.

Dealers have every right to charge whatever they want, but dealers that just want money instead of running a good business are not going to be as profitable in the long run. I speak from experience. You will get a reputation, and you will get more customers for being a good dealer.

EDIT: And dealers are not doing you a favor when they get you bud. And he doesn't risk himself to get you bud. He does himself the favor, and he risks himself to make a profit. There are no dealers doing it for the good of man kind, every one of them is doing it for themselves. The customers are doing the dealers the favor by spending money they actually EARNED to keep them in business. Its a two way street.

[chiefMOJOrisin]

The point is to make money. Yea. Dealers cut their dope to make it less potent, and weigh more...to make more money. Growers who don't give a fuck aobut product are doing so to do what???...... make money. The growers obviously doesn't slice the plant down with a razor and add vitamin b-9 then bag it up.


Needforweed....you sound like a dealer. Not at all like a pothead. How can you sit there and say that leaves on dank bud don't hinder the taste??? Have you every smoked dank...or leaves??? And you obviously aren't getting the point. HAJ-crazyname said it best. The fucking dealers are PUTTING THEIR ASS ON THE LINE FOR THEMSELVES!!!!! Not the smokers. Not at all the smokers. I don't know one motherfucker who would go out of his way to make an illegal transaction and damn the consequences FOR SOMEONE ELSE!!!

If you are a dealer..... you probably sell shwag.


And pheonix..... growers will grow the Chronic, but let it get to shit. I've grown some unbelievable bud from mids. The 'brandname' means a lot less than people think. And check out reason #1 of my first post.... most growers don't know what there doing and its a travesty.



I guess its only me that thinks this way. Marijuana is a beutiful gift from mother nature. It needs to be pampered and loved or else it will turn into a promiscuous, sperm covered joke. Those who take advantage of the herb, will suffer the repercussions. Marijuana is a karma killer. If you fuck with it, you don't deserve to smoke good weed. The ONLY good dealers are ones who sell for free bud. ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Money blinds the ganja-eye

[wak]

Originally Posted by chiefMOJOrisin

The point is to make money. Yea. Dealers cut their dope to make it less potent, and weigh more...to make more money. Growers who don't give a fuck aobut product are doing so to do what???...... make money. The growers obviously doesn't slice the plant down with a razor and add vitamin b-9 then bag it up.


Needforweed....you sound like a dealer. Not at all like a pothead. How can you sit there and say that leaves on dank bud don't hinder the taste??? Have you every smoked dank...or leaves??? And you obviously aren't getting the point. HAJ-crazyname said it best. The fucking dealers are PUTTING THEIR ASS ON THE LINE FOR THEMSELVES!!!!! Not the smokers. Not at all the smokers. I don't know one motherfucker who would go out of his way to make an illegal transaction and damn the consequences FOR SOMEONE ELSE!!!

If you are a dealer..... you probably sell shwag

you gotta chill man, maby it was the only thing the guy could get it hands on and its down the line abit.

[chiefMOJOrisin]

I apologize for my hostility, Need. We all have a need for weed. I say this not because Wak said something. I can see from his rep that he's made inappropriate comments before.....Its because I hadn't smoked yet and I was a little constipated. But thats besides the point.


The score I wrote about was probably the first time in 2+ years I had unkeen herb. The thread was due to a boiling over about bud. Good dank bud with ultra-potential...... gone to shit. I got upset not because I purchase shit bud, but because I grow very good bud. And personally, I take the fucking time out to make sure its a good as possible and I know how much work it is. It irks me that there are growers out there who put forth a minimal effort simply for the purpose of making money.

The bud I was talking about got me nice and stoned... I just had to smoke 3 bowls and there were about 3 calyxs per 1 sqaure inch of bud. And they were dense....dense with leaves and stems. Some had full fan leaves like 4-5 nodes down Thats ridiculous.

[chiefMOJOrisin]

Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow......wow. I just read that the new Futurama DVD about Bender has a t.v show length cartoon about the Hypnotoad. That is fucking key.