"To Infinity and Beyond," My Smoke Report of the 20th Annual Cannabis Cup (2007)

[GoliathToker79]

Originally Posted by eleven357

So don't go for the weed huh? I was reading in the cannabible about the same thing. About us having higher quality buds over here.

nah amsterdam defintley does at least compared to pa, maybe cali and amsterdam are jus as good, but to say the states get better bud is stupid.

[AK Infinity]

Originally Posted by GoliathToker79

nah amsterdam defintley does at least compared to pa, maybe cali and amsterdam are jus as good, but to say the states get better bud is stupid.

Since I'm here right now, am a veteran smoker and grower that's my take on the situation, but to call it "stupid" shows me that you have zero interest in creating any kind of respectful and adult dialogue.

[AK Infinity]

On the day I was to travel to Amsterdam I arrived at the airport several hours before my flight was scheduled to depart. I had a few nervous jitters but my thoughts and whole intent were on all of the cannabis I was going to smoke. I'd read about past HighTimes events with envy so this was going to be my first real foray into this counterculture world that I've been part of for a few years now.

As I've said before or haven't this isn't the first time I've been out of the country, so I wasn't too worried about that part of it, I was more worried that the weed was going to be shitty more than anything else. I'd spent several weeks prior to my trip upping the dosages of marijuana I'm used to, so that I wouldn't get blown away once I got there. Oh yeah, if I didn't mention it I took the journey alone, which is a completely different traveling animal. It's one thing to have refuge amongst traveling companions and quite another to have to rely on your own scruples and drive to navigate. I guess that's just how I roll. It's only so long you can slow yourself down waiting for others to catch up before you just choose to move on alone.

I went through all of the airport checkpoints with no trouble whatsoever. It left me with an hour or so to kill before boarding so I sat around and watched people. Some were obviously bound for the Cup with their various garb and hair color, while others for connecting flights to other exotic locales. But what you come to notice is that everyone has a story of some kind draped around their necks or embroidered in their clothing. I felt my status as part of the American organism dissolving into the Global village. It makes you feel smaller than hell, but glad to be a part of the process anyway.

In the middle of my trance I clearly hear the words Northwest Airlines #34 non-stop to Amsterdam...

[GoliathToker79]

Originally Posted by AK Infinity

Since I'm here right now, am a veteran smoker and grower that's my take on the situation, but to call it "stupid" shows me that you have zero interest in creating any kind of respectful and adult dialogue.

you need to calm down, and i was being respectful, never said he was stupid, besides hows that make any sense how could bud here be better than bud then can produce legally at the coffeeshop and have more time to perfect their buds, sorry if u got insulted bro im the last person to not have repectful adult dialogue, sorry if that come out wrong. I live pa so, i would love to go amsterdam and probaly dont even see the best bud the country has to offer, maybe cali and a-dam are the same..idk i called it stupid because to me with all the hype on amsterdam i thought they had the best bud on the planet.

[AK Infinity]

Originally Posted by GoliathToker79

you need to calm down, and i was being respectful, never said he was stupid, besides hows that make any sense how could bud here be better than bud then can produce legally at the coffeeshop and have more time to perfect their buds, sorry if u got insulted bro im the last person to not have repectful adult dialogue, sorry if that come out wrong. I live pa so, i would love to go amsterdam and probaly dont even see the best bud the country has to offer, maybe cali and a-dam are the same..idk i called it stupid because to me with all the hype on amsterdam i thought they had the best bud on the planet.

Quite simply, as I said before bro, and it was repeated here in Amsterdam by Arjan who is one of top growers today. The Dutch growers in general don't completely understand the process of growing. The availability or legality of pot has nothing at all to do with the final product. The grow reflects the knowledge, patience, and relative skill of the grower. The pot that is commonly available here has been harvested too early, dried poorly and in many instances isn't even cured. So what would you expect from a combination like that, dank buds?

But before I leave it there let me take it a one more step further by saying the same thing happens in the States as well. For some bizarre reason growers have fooled themselves into thinking they will make more money by cutting out crucial steps, when the exact opposite is true. Just because a person has a lots of space, clones, and flowering plants doesn't mean they have a superior product by any stretch of the imagination.

This is what bugs the living fuck out of me about weed many times people just don't care enough to produce a superior product, many are just consumed with the act of getting high.

I get where you're coming from a little better now bro.

Peace

[GoliathToker79]

Originally Posted by AK Infinity

Quite simply, as I said before bro, and it was repeated here in Amsterdam by Arjan who is one of top growers today. The Dutch growers in general don't completely understand the process of growing. The availability or legality of pot has nothing at all to do with the final product. The grow reflects the knowledge, patience, and relative skill of the grower. The pot that is commonly available here has been harvested too early, dried poorly and in many instances isn't even cured. So what would you expect from a combination like that, dank buds?

But before I leave it there let me take it a one more step further by saying the same thing happens in the States as well. For some bizarre reason growers have fooled themselves into thinking they will make more money by cutting out crucial steps, when the exact opposite is true. Just because a person has a lots of space, clones, and flowering plants doesn't mean they have a superior product by any stretch of the imagination.

This is what bugs the living fuck out of me about weed many times people just don't care enough to produce a superior product, many are just consumed with the act of getting high.

I get where you're coming from a little better now bro.

Peace

alrite here is something interestin i found on wikipedia:

The average levels of THC in marijuana sold in United States rose from 3.5% in 1988 to 7% in 2003 and 8.5% in 2006.

The average THC level in coffeehouses in the Netherlands is about 18–19%

now im really confused, what bout all the nice strains they got down there blueberry,white widow,super skunk,forbidden fruit,northern lights, all that good stuff and it looks they have the best combination of strains, strains u never heard of. With all the nice seeds,and it being pretty much legal since then 1980's how dont any of these grows know what there doing, there has to some really experienced growers down there doing it for possibly a decade or more. They have the best genetics, how is that even possible they dont know what there doing.

[AK Infinity]

Originally Posted by GoliathToker79

alrite here is something interestin i found on wikipedia:

The average levels of THC in marijuana sold in United States rose from 3.5% in 1988 to 7% in 2003 and 8.5% in 2006.

The average THC level in coffeehouses in the Netherlands is about 18–19%

now im really confused, what bout all the nice strains they got down there blueberry,white widow,super skunk,forbidden fruit,northern lights, all that good stuff and it looks they have the best combination of strains, strains u never heard of. With all the nice seeds,and it being pretty much legal since then 1980's how dont any of these grows know what there doing, there has to some really experienced growers down there doing it for possibly a decade or more. They have the best genetics, how is that even possible they dont know what there doing.

My first point would be, don't rely so much on wikipedia for all of your facts. It's an invaluable research tool but it's also one with many limitations. That is to say, if a person adding a fact doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about then... Well you get where I'm going. The last strain I grew had a "THC level" of over 19%, truth is there's a lot of good bud all over the place since genetics are readily available through the mail, which is how I usually procure mine. Besides the whole how do you prove what percentage each marijuana strain has thing, I've got to say up front that I've seen many a grower fuck up really potent weed and all because they didn't want to wait until the plant had fully matured. Secondly, greed is probably the primary motivation on the Dutch scene, but either way you slice it Arjan called it "ignorance" and I guess I do too. Only someone that's ignorant would think that quality has to suffer just because they have a deadline.

Lastly, what I said was a generalization based on my experience with many Coffeeshops so far and the opinions of others. Yes there are superb Dutch growers but they are the exception not the rule.

[GoliathToker79]

Originally Posted by AK Infinity

My first point would be, don't rely so much on wikipedia for all of your facts. It's an invaluable research tool but it's also one with many limitations. That is to say, if a person adding a fact doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about then... Well you get where I'm going. The last strain I grew had a "THC level" of over 19%, truth is there's a lot of good bud all over the place since genetics are readily available through the mail, which is how I usually procure mine. Besides the whole how do you prove what percentage each marijuana strain has thing, I've got to say up front that I've seen many a grower fuck up really potent weed and all because they didn't want to wait until the plant had fully matured. Secondly, greed is probably the primary motivation on the Dutch scene, but either way you slice it Arjan called it "ignorance" and I guess I do too. Only someone that's ignorant would think that quality has to suffer just because they have a deadline.

Lastly, what I said was a generalization based on experience with many Coffeeshops so far and the opinions of others. Yes there are superb Dutch growers but they are exception not the rule.

Yea dutch growers have the best tools to work with, seeds etc, that sucks to hear there unexperienced growers, idk much bout growing but i know this i would wait till it matured especially in amsterdam whats the rush. Alrite your telling me that most of these coffeshops have bad grows and jus waste the good genetics they get, u want to hear bad i had some hydro wet as shit, weighed out to 2.8, but was paper thin in density it was soo immature maybe it was 1.5 at most. gentics can be sent here,how would i get away with that through international security and whatnot. You would have to think the shit at the cannabis cup has to be really good, there tryin to win that damn cup that cant get away with premature grow in that can they?? man u seriously makin me confused if its even worth going down there, i was lookin forward to it, but now i just dont know anymore.

[GreenFingersGuy]

Hey I like this thread. keep updating it with your views on the CC.

I was going to go this year but I decided to go early December instead. I heard about it (the cannabis cup) being poor from a few people and I decided instead of wasting money on passes and goodies etc. from expo I could spend it on weed and in places I know to get good deals etc.

Onto your point about america having stronger weed. I can't really debate this as I've never been but I have smoked some Cali bud that I "acquired" from a friend overseas and also some Canadian bud. The cali one was a medicinal strain and it was awesome and the canadaian strain was just from a grower over there and it too was great. From what i've sampled the weed on that side of the world seems pretty damn good. It tastes like its being looked after properly

I've lived in the netherlands and the weed over there is great but... you need to find the right coffeeshop and to do this it needs to be outside of amsterdam if you ask me. The Dam is the mecca for most so the weed is often well overpriced and not as good quality wise but I think thats down to demand and supply, like someone said maybe the growers over their have lost their ways and are in it more for the money that anything else. You can find good weed but you need to go a few times or preferbly live there

In america because your getting it illegally on the streets I think people grow better stuff to insure they have their buyers, in the dam because you can buy it in shops I think the stuff is going to be weaker. The more available it is possibly the weaker it is. Cause i'm sure anyone who's supplying coffeeshops is growing for buisness and not fun and of course the weed can taste like it came from a production line (grown quickly and nuked with nutes and then not dried properly)

But I think the netherlands is good for anyone wanting to grow their own high potent weed. if you live there then you have a lot of access to seeds/grow equipment/advice etc. I've smoked some homegrown over there that was from only a small grow by a friend and his stuff was nicer than that in the shops.

Grow your own I say. Oh and I agree with the person who said the hash is great over there. I'm okay in ireland as I can get good weed but good hash is rare as hell. I love the soft stuff in the dam and theres an ice-o-lator I tried that I can only describe as the heroin of the hash world. Knockout hash!

[orly?]

Originally Posted by AK Infinity

My first point would be, don't rely so much on wikipedia for all of your facts. It's an invaluable research tool but it's also one with many limitations. That is to say, if a person adding a fact doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about then... Well you get where I'm going. The last strain I grew had a "THC level" of over 19%, truth is there's a lot of good bud all over the place since genetics are readily available through the mail, which is how I usually procure mine. Besides the whole how do you prove what percentage each marijuana strain has thing, I've got to say up front that I've seen many a grower fuck up really potent weed and all because they didn't want to wait until the plant had fully matured. Secondly, greed is probably the primary motivation on the Dutch scene, but either way you slice it Arjan called it "ignorance" and I guess I do too. Only someone that's ignorant would think that quality has to suffer just because they have a deadline.

Lastly, what I said was a generalization based on experience with many Coffeeshops so far and the opinions of others. Yes there are superb Dutch growers but they are exception not the rule.

i've only heard amazing things from my friends who have been there, they say the weed is un-be-fuckin-leivable and beats the hell out of anything we've gotten down here in texas. could be they were just hyped to be smokin' shit legally.


anyway, im hittin' up the dam in about 3 weeks and i was wondering what coffeeshops you've been to that had the best quality product? i don't want to go all the way there and smoke some half assed poorly grown bud. that would be a minor disappointment. a very, VERY, minor disappointment, but a disappointment none the less.

[Budder81]

Sounds like so much fun!

That video was very informative, liked it a lot.

I have a friend who went to Amsterdam a few months ago and he said the same thing. The weed wasn't that great, but the hash was intense. He was there for a month and couldn't find anything that equals the 90 dollar eigths of potent Kush down here in socal. I still want to go and judge the weed, that's gotta be so much fun.

[Hello Kitty]

I bet its cheaper in Amsterdam

[Vicious]

Hit up a brothel?




havent read any posts yet ill get on that

[AK Infinity]

Originally Posted by GoliathToker79

Yea dutch growers have the best tools to work with, seeds etc, that sucks to hear there unexperienced growers, idk much bout growing but i know this i would wait till it matured especially in amsterdam whats the rush. Alrite your telling me that most of these coffeshops have bad grows and jus waste the good genetics they get, u want to hear bad i had some hydro wet as shit, weighed out to 2.8, but was paper thin in density it was soo immature maybe it was 1.5 at most. gentics can be sent here,how would i get away with that through international security and whatnot. You would have to think the shit at the cannabis cup has to be really good, there tryin to win that damn cup that cant get away with premature grow in that can they?? man u seriously makin me confused if its even worth going down there, i was lookin forward to it, but now i just dont know anymore.

You'll get what you want out of the trip regardless of what I write bro. My review still isn't complete I've taken a second or two to jot down some general impressions thus far but I have a lot more to say, be sure of that yo. The stuff at the Cup itself was excellent, geez they were passing out joints like they were dropping from the sky like raindrops. The smoke hung in the air like London fog as thick as pea soup, I bet the contact high alone could have put someone in a coma.

Originally Posted by GreenFingersGuy

Hey I like this thread. keep updating it with your views on the CC.

I was going to go this year but I decided to go early December instead. I heard about it (the cannabis cup) being poor from a few people and I decided instead of wasting money on passes and goodies etc. from expo I could spend it on weed and in places I know to get good deals etc.

Onto your point about america having stronger weed. I can't really debate this as I've never been but I have smoked some Cali bud that I "acquired" from a friend overseas and also some Canadian bud. The cali one was a medicinal strain and it was awesome and the canadaian strain was just from a grower over there and it too was great. From what i've sampled the weed on that side of the world seems pretty damn good. It tastes like its being looked after properly

I've lived in the netherlands and the weed over there is great but... you need to find the right coffeeshop and to do this it needs to be outside of amsterdam if you ask me. The Dam is the mecca for most so the weed is often well overpriced and not as good quality wise but I think thats down to demand and supply, like someone said maybe the growers over their have lost their ways and are in it more for the money that anything else. You can find good weed but you need to go a few times or preferbly live there

In america because your getting it illegally on the streets I think people grow better stuff to insure they have their buyers, in the dam because you can buy it in shops I think the stuff is going to be weaker. The more available it is possibly the weaker it is. Cause i'm sure anyone who's supplying coffeeshops is growing for buisness and not fun and of course the weed can taste like it came from a production line (grown quickly and nuked with nutes and then not dried properly)

But I think the netherlands is good for anyone wanting to grow their own high potent weed. if you live there then you have a lot of access to seeds/grow equipment/advice etc. I've smoked some homegrown over there that was from only a small grow by a friend and his stuff was nicer than that in the shops.

Grow your own I say. Oh and I agree with the person who said the hash is great over there. I'm okay in ireland as I can get good weed but good hash is rare as hell. I love the soft stuff in the dam and theres an ice-o-lator I tried that I can only describe as the heroin of the hash world. Knockout hash!

Good post, good points.

Originally Posted by orly?

i've only heard amazing things from my friends who have been there, they say the weed is un-be-fuckin-leivable and beats the hell out of anything we've gotten down here in texas. could be they were just hyped to be smokin' shit legally.

There's something to this really, I think the experience is actually heightened since for many stoners Amsterdam is the culmination of their smoking experience. I've had a similar feeling as I've walked along these narrow streets, a feeling of fulfilment, a feeling of complete euphoric satisfaction.

Originally Posted by orly

anyway, im hittin' up the dam in about 3 weeks and i was wondering what coffeeshops you've been to that had the best quality product? i don't want to go all the way there and smoke some half assed poorly grown bud. that would be a minor disappointment. a very, VERY, minor disappointment, but a disappointment none the less.

I'm still trying to make it to as many Coffeeshops as possible. It's actually getting a bit expensive buying all this weed and even more burdensome smoking it. I'll let you