Shit Shit Shit..warrr

[namron_420s]

the un inspectors just reported that saddam isnt fully cooperating and the us and uk gave him until the 16th or 17th to comply..OR ELSE!

its on MSNBC

and on the yahoo homepage news.

[budburner]

Yep.

After so many resolutions, it's time for the shit to hit the fan.


How many "last chances" are supposed to be given?

Why should we leave a torturing murderer in power anyway?

Wouldn't you want something else if you were an Iraqi?

Think about it.....

We in the free world just take it for granted that we can spout off at the mouth (or fingers) about anything we want.

Over there, if you spout off against the government... well... there's a thread about torture here somewhere.


War is not good, granted. But these people in Iraq have had to live with the fear of torture and rape from their government.

We'll go and take care of that and let the beurocrats debate until the UN is attacked too.

9-11-01 proved that we are vulnerable.

Saddam supports those who use terrorist tactics against the USA.

Saddam rapes and tortures to stay in power.

Remember the "election" that resulted 100% in favor of saddam? Gimme a fuckin' break. That alone should have told us something.

Godspeed to our troops.

[TheHempress]

Ok, I don't have anything to say other than I am frightened....and that's saying a lot for me

[smokinokie]

Many brothers and sisters over there, doing a job.

I agree, he's had 12 years to get his shit together and do what he's told and get rid of his implements of destruction. I just hope we gotta good plan of action, and don't try to run the war from Washington. Last time we tried to oust a regime, and did run things in Washington, the regime stayed, and we got a wall in our nations capitol that has a lot of young peoples name on it.


Maybe someday we'll figger out how to solve things like this with out war. Don't think todays that day.

[highawatha]

Originally posted by smokinokie
Many brothers and sisters over there, doing a job.

Last time we tried to oust a regime, and did run things in Washington, the regime stayed, and we got a wall in our nations capitol that has a lot of young peoples name on it.


Maybe someday we'll figger out how to solve things like this with out war. Don't think todays that day.

me either, i loooved the way he sidestepped the vietnam question/comparrison.

ill say again our flag flies for all the young people that will be missed dearly.

peace

[MrSmokebigbuds]

well critter i think u have to look at is from our pont of vew, one we already had an attack on the US and saddam engust this, what if some iraq grom were to fly plane in to Sydney Opera House with a full house time that number by 500 prob then u get the loss we had. if that happan I think u would say some thing els.....thanks......peaces....MrSbb

[budburner]

I agree, Mr.smoking.

War is not good, granted. But the outcome probably will be.

I think history will see this war as a good thing. Just like a war to overthrow Hitler would have been seen as a good thing if it ad happened before the millions were killed by hitler.

I get so pissed about people saying that America is acting like nazis.

IMO, it is saddam who is acting like this.

So what if it's for oil (which I happen to disagree with)? Isn't it a good thing to remove a rapist/murder/torturer from power?

Please, all of you who think we should not go to war with saddam... go to live in iraq for a while.

Believe me, youll be begging for SOMEBODY to have the balls to some in and save you from that man.

**trumpet fanfare**

Here we come to save the country!

[MrSmokebigbuds]

yea i forgot to add that, war is never good in any way but in some cases it is nessary, and for me to fell safe as a new yorker i want these ppl gone....thanks....peaces....MrSbb

[KraziHare]

I'm American and I agree with Critter wholeheartedly. This is a war for oil that's driven by fear. Doing anything (much less starting a war) because terrorists might do something to us is so backwards and wrong I don't even know where to start, not to mention the fact that Saddam is obviously of no immediate threat to us or Iraq's neighbors at the moment. Most of the arguments of those who are for a war involve a lot of words like 'what if?'; when any argument involves questioning your logic I think it's time to sit back and think about things a bit. I can honestly say that I don't let fear drive me, and I'm not being 'too idealistic' by opposing war. The only people that are forcing this on anyone are the Americans, to the detriment of half the world, most especially ourselves. And even if you can justify this by saying 'Saddam is a madman! He gasses his own people and eats babies!" It's quite simply not that simple. This isn't just about avoiding war to save some lives right now, this is about avoiding a disturbing precedent that America is trying to set. If we can do this to Iraq without UN support then what's to stop us from going other places? What will happen to the UN if another, more powerful entity exists? A couple years ago Iraq was just a smelly country that most Americans didn't like, well right now France is kind of like that...
...is it our place to police the world? Is it okay to place the fate of the world in the hands of a few powerful people (that came into power in a questionable manner to begin with)? It doesn't matter what risks Saddam poses right now, it's more important to make sure my own government doesn't get out of countrol.

[Stylez1877]

I agree with all of you..

all I can say is..you dont know for certain until you are there.

[budburner]

Originally posted by KraziHare
Saddam is obviously of no immediate threat to us or Iraq's neighbors at the moment. Most of the arguments of those who are for a war involve a lot of words like 'what if?';

I snipped out a lot of good stuff there, don't think that because I snipped it I disregard it.

It's not a matter of "what if". It is a matter of :What has he already done?

Scary as it may seem, I certainly would support us going into any country that uses torture or any other "cruel and unusual" punnishment.
We are not necessarily the police of the world, but let me take a head count here.

Anybody who supports the torture of political dissidence, say "I". Anybody who thinks the families of people who speak out against the gov't should be tortured and raped, stand up and say "I".

We are liberating a tortured and impoverished people.

Any other tortured and impoverished people should be liberated.

Anybody reporting from iraq yet? I'd love to hear how fuckin' wonderful it is.

[KraziHare]

A lot of people were 'liberated' during the crusades. Someone decided that they didn't deserve to live becasue they weren't christians "blow 'em all up and let god sort 'em out". Where as this war isn't the same in a religious sense (only one side is fanatically religious--I don't mean Saddam but his people btw, and it isn't us)
It is the same in the sense that no one group should make decisions for another.

Oh, and I think it's funny that 'peace' is in your sig

please try to remember that that word is much more than a greeting my friend

[namron_420s]

well..im not going to say war is wrong or anything like that, if war was wrong america wouldnt be what it is today. it does frighten me, and the loss of life is bad in any situation
i have two takes on it, one is with budburner and the freeing of an impoverished opressed people, i wholeheartedly agree with that. that is a good thing.

my concern however, is what is this going to cause for us in the future, i see it affecting two things..well actually one, but whatever..anyway....if we go through with this, its definately going to stress our relations with france, russia, china, and several others, france, in the UN, has managed to change the focus from whether or not to attack saddam, to, should the US be allowed to go into a unilateral attack....what kind of shit is bush getting us into here..not necessarily immediately, but in the future, this could be used as an example against us.

also, can he seriously thing that ousting this madmans regime is going to stop terrorist attacks, no, its not, if anything its going to piss more middle eastern people off, and encourage more attacks against 'the police nation'..not necessarily straight away, but if we stay in and occupy this nation, they are going to get increasingly hostile and somewhat territorial...

im worried about the future..

the only thing positive about this war is the freeing of an oppressed people under the thumb of a madman, and i whole heartedly support our troops for that, i dont care if you support the war or not, you should at least have the balls to stand behind the men and women fighting over there, they are doing their job, at least support them and send them your karma or prayers or whatever it is that you do.

[KraziHare]

I wish them luck in not dying and coming back home, but other than that I'm not going to pretend like a bunch of guys who are trained to kill are a bunch of hapless americans sitting around in Iraq. They're going over there to kill people and I won't have any part of it. If that means I can't have balls then let the castration begin!

[Big Poppa Puff]

Originally posted by budburner



I snipped out a lot of good stuff there, don't think that because I snipped it I disregard it.

It's not a matter of "what if". It is a matter of :What has he already done?

Scary as it may seem, I certainly would support us going into any country that uses torture or any other "cruel and unusual" punnishment.
We are not necessarily the police of the world, but let me take a head count here.

Anybody who supports the torture of political dissidence, say "I". Anybody who thinks the families of people who speak out against the gov't should be tortured and raped, stand up and say "I".

We are liberating a tortured and impoverished people.

Any other tortured and impoverished people should be liberated.

Anybody reporting from iraq yet? I'd love to hear how fuckin' wonderful it is.

What about Chine, N Korea, Cambodia, Cuba, Angola, numerous central African countries, Egypt, etc. etc. etc. etc.

We never went to war with any other countriy to remove their bad and evil rulers, why all of a sudden do we need to free Iraq. Iraq and Saddam didn't have anything to do with 9/11, if so there would be evidence. I was in favor in of capturing Osam Bin Laden, which we haven't doe yet in almost 2 years of fighting. This war is about Oil , money, saving the US econmy, and getting Bush re-elected. This looks just like another vietnam starting to happen again. I feel sorry for all the young soldiers that are soon to die and for the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians that will die in our regime change for their own good.

there isn't a damn thing I can do to stop this but I don't want anyone to tell me I'm wrong or unpatriotic for not supporting this war. The very first freedom we have in this country is the right to free speech. You may not like what I say, you may disagee with what I say but I have every right to speak my beliefs.