Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[Iscariot]

Originally Posted by sushil_yadav

Zylark,

Are you ever going to get the message?

The quality of my article does not depend on your views/ judgement.

sushil_yadav

No the quality of your article depends on a few things. 1. How truthful and sensnical it was. 2. How well it was written. 3. The evidence for your claims. etc

The quality of your article was shit and it has nothing to do with zylark's views or judgements on it, whether his judgements were accurate based on those previous criteria though. Well its likely'

[sushil_yadav]

Man can repair and restore things that have been made by man himself. Car, Computer, Aeroplane, Rocket - if anything goes wrong with these things man can repair and restore.

Man cannot repair and restore Nature/ Environment - because man did not make Nature/ Environment. Once a Forest is destroyed - it is gone for millions of years. One cannot create a Forest in 5 or 50 years - it takes millions of years to make a forest - containing millions of species of animals, insects, birds, plants and trees. Man can create a plantation in 5 or 50 years - not a forest.

The only way to save Environment is by not destroying it - leave it alone - leave it undisturbed. If you destroy Environment you cannot repair and restore it.

sushil_yadav

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[pavlakos]

Originally Posted by Zylark

Say again?

No cities? No technology? No machines?

What do you think keeps the roughly 6bn people on this planet alive?

And what is that experiment you grind on about supposed to prove? That people have varying degrees of empathy under varying sensory inputs? Well duh. No Nobel prize in that.

And despite your assertions, sustainable development is not an oxymoron. That it is by and large not done quite yet, does not mean it is impossible. It just mean that thus far there is little economic incentive to do so. But that is slowly changing for the better.

Abandon technology, and there will be a mass genocide from hunger alone. Billions will die.

If you want a better world, go fight for a more fair distribution of wealth and resources. For a quicker change to alternative fuels and renewable energy sources.

Yes there are ills in todays society, but going back to iron age technology and society won't be part of the solution.

And imagine for a moment we could get 3-4 billion people to agree to suicide so that the rest of us could abandon technology and live all on ecological farms doing only manual labor (sounds a lot like Pol Pots Cambodia really), how would that be better than modern society?

And without technology, if say a meteor was heading towards us, we'd go the way of the dinosaurs.

In short; get real.

agreed. its in human nature to make things better and easier for ourselves. the world as it is is the consequence of technologies that only came to be within a 500 yr(tops) span. sure everyone wants a healthy enviornment and planet, but when it comes down to it whos really going to willingly give up life as it is today.we have everything and more,and people are still inventing more things, and as consumers we want it all.
its virtually impossible to go back such primitive lifestyles. impossible and unreasonable. with our technology we learned many things and gained much knowledge. just like Zylark said, we know about meteors and probably have some sort of way to blow it up or make it miss us before it hits. if we just go back to the time of cavemen and know how to deflect that meteor but dont have the technology to do shit about it, wouldnt that suck.i hope this makes sense, im pretty baked right now..

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[Maitereya]

i was going to rip this article apart but its been done and its obvious this article was written by a moron.

industrial society does not destroy mind and environment.

[sushil_yadav]

Originally Posted by 7costanza

The baby boomer generation is the ultimate suburban (sprawling), ultra-consuming generation. We're the 2nd generation of this lifestyle and we're beginning to see the effects that took some time to notice. i.e., there's a lot of carbon dioxide in the air lately, that might not be good...

Unlimited growth is the antithesis of sustainability. The market demands unlimited growth but the laws of nature require sustainability. fuxored...

7costanza,

You are right about harmful effects of consumerism on the ecosystems. In the context of consumerism and "environmental crisis" I would like to give an example.


A person is being stabbed repeatedly at regular intervals - every hour.

Some people are trying to save the victim.

The sane way to save is - you first stop the attack – you prevent the attack.

What these insane people do - they allow the attack to be continued. They don’t stop it -- they don’t prevent it.

Instead, what they do - They say we are going to save the victim by using technology - the best technology - the best medical care.

Bring this technology - Bring that technology.
Bring this technology - Bring that technology.

They give the victim the best technology - the best medical care.

In the meantime the stabbing continues – every hour – even while the best medical care is being given.

One can imagine the fate of the victim.



Ecosystems are getting destroyed due to production of consumer goods.

Every consumer good is made by killing animals, trees, air, water and land - directly or indirectly. [ more killing of nature takes place when consumer goods are used and discarded]

Industrial society is destroying necessary things - animals, trees, air, water and land for making unnecessary things - consumer goods.

The sane way of saving ecosystems is - you stop production of consumer goods - you reduce production of consumer goods to the minimum level.

But the insane Industrial Society continues producing consumer goods [ in fact production is being increased every day]

The insane response of Industrial Society is - We will save the environment with technology - the best technology.

Bring this technology - Bring that technology.
Bring this technology - Bring that technology.

In the meantime production of consumer goods continues - 3 billion people living in cities are continuously engaged in - making , buying and selling of consumer goods - killing the ecosystems moment by moment.

One can imagine the fate of environment.


Height of Insanity.......Height of Abnormality.

Destroy Industrial Society.....before it is too late.
Destroy consumerism..... before it is too late.


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[pavlakos]

ive began to agree with the point of this thread. i still think we should keep some technolgy, but more or less go back to nature and natural time...idk. opinions change.

[skywalker]

What is destroying the world is black-and-white vision. The inability to discern is the first step to overcome, otherwise all the other steps will only take us backwards.

Getting rid of technology is neither feasible nor advisable. A lot of the things you say about the emotional effects of this lifestyle are true, but this lifestyle is our choice. There is nothing stopping you from living in a non-technological community if the fast life upsets you. Even in the heart of Babylon, the Amish survive. The rest of us are here by choice. The internet has enabled me to hear your voice, and return mine for your consideration. I appreciate it very much, despite the fact that it also supports a lot of industrial activity I disapprove of.

However, the bottom line is that technology can be used to do just as much good as harm, but it's presently being abused by the corporate machine. If you wish to fix that completely, you need to be:

c) in politics
b) incorruptible
a) incapable of getting assassinated.

Otherwise, you can personally invest into slightly offsetting the damage, and it can be done It would cost you a lot of time and money, but you would do some good, and perhaps others would follow you. If that does not appeal to you, I don't blame you. However, somebody has to do it, or overthrow the government, and the industry, and the consumers.

I don't argue that there is a problem to be solved, but I don't have a solution, and I cannot support yours. There is nothing more spiritual than technology. Centuries of patience have given rise to diverse avenues where we have harmonized nature with nature to yield unspeakable power. Don't let our current inability to control this power distort your perception of the beauty at the heart of this phenomenon.