2012 = Universe's Way of Telling Us We're Being Bad

[HazeySmoke]

Been recently watching the Nat Geo shows about this, all the different theorys and stuff. I think the medias just blowing up just like they did in the year 2000. I hope its not true, my honest opinion is the people in the world are gunna fuck eachother up well before some gigantic natural disaster.

[tripleoptic]

Originally Posted by Floydian

Completely true.

*tempted to repost the tinfoil hat dude pic just for good measure*

Edit; All those ruins are well within human capabilities, we just haven't figured out the design of some of the tools they used yet, which is making people go all bat shit crazy with conspiracies. The only conspiracy for ancient aliens I've ever even come CLOSE to believing in was the shit with the mountains at Nazca (not nescessarily the lines themselves) where these mountains have been flattened, nearly perfectly, and the missing rubble is absolutely no where to be found. We're talking huge amounts of dirt and stone, just completely gone. Can't find any suitable pictures, though.

I've been to Nazca and I don't remember hearing much about flat mountains or seeing any but I imagine there's geologic processes that can make that happen. (I'm way skeptical of just about everything). I also almost vomited on the prop plane they took us in to look at the lines. I'm glad I didn't eat breakfast...

Who knows though, the Nazca (as were most Andean cultures) was a society basically built on hallucinogenic cacti and violence so pretty much nothing they did surprises me.

[naciremaBK]

Originally Posted by Northern.Lights

Truth is you dont know shit about the future... we'll all find out at the same time

right on bro

[arcadianskies77]

Solar flares happen all the time. If you really want to get your facts straight watch the episode Penn & Teller recently did on this 2012 doomsday stuff. They assault all the major theories.

[Floydian]

Originally Posted by tripleoptic

I've been to Nazca and I don't remember hearing much about flat mountains or seeing any but I imagine there's geologic processes that can make that happen. (I'm way skeptical of just about everything). I also almost vomited on the prop plane they took us in to look at the lines. I'm glad I didn't eat breakfast...

Who knows though, the Nazca (as were most Andean cultures) was a society basically built on hallucinogenic cacti and violence so pretty much nothing they did surprises me.

Only image I could find that even vaguely portrays the flattened mountain top. It's one of the places covered with long lines believed to be a "runway for aliens."

Besides the rubble being no where, and it being quite a bit of shit for them to move back then, all the other mountain tops are there, not flat, so it couldn't have been some natural process.

Thats sick that you've been to Nazca, though.

[notbakedenough]

Originally Posted by hibodharma

I don't want to reveal many details, but, it's going to be.... big to say the least. Just wait and see

ROTFL. Someone pretending they are the secret insider to the truth.

[tripleoptic]

Originally Posted by Floydian

Only image I could find that even vaguely portrays the flattened mountain top. It's one of the places covered with long lines believed to be a "runway for aliens."

Besides the rubble being no where, and it being quite a bit of shit for them to move back then, all the other mountain tops are there, not flat, so it couldn't have been some natural process.

Thats sick that you've been to Nazca, though.

Yeah one advantage of being an Archaeology/Anthropology student is that I got to travel to some really cool places. Though finding a job with the degree can be difficult.

The picture you have is from the Palpa Lines which are about 30 miles away from Nazca and was actually made by a different culture (just learned about this but I did a little web research). My best explanation that isn't a geographic one is that they may have used the rubble to construct housing and water ducts (there are some incredible water ducts in the area), which is the most logical reason I can come up with for there being no mountain top. And remember the Andean cultures were very well versed with terracing and shaping mountains. I tend to have a functionalist view of Archaeology, ancient people were just as pragmatic and able to reuse resources as we are now. (at least IMO)

There's a ton of theories about the Nazca and Palpa lines and no one really knows. The best two explanations that I've heard is a large scale astronomical map or as markers for water sources. Very cool though, and a much more worthy "mystery" than the Mayan calander which has been discussed in academic fields for years and something that we have a TON of knowledge about. (just so we arn't totally hijacking the OP)

[notbakedenough]

Originally Posted by tripleoptic

I've been to Nazca and I don't remember hearing much about flat mountains or seeing any but I imagine there's geologic processes that can make that happen. (I'm way skeptical of just about everything). I also almost vomited on the prop plane they took us in to look at the lines. I'm glad I didn't eat breakfast...

Who knows though, the Nazca (as were most Andean cultures) was a society basically built on hallucinogenic cacti and violence so pretty much nothing they did surprises me.

Yeah I was there too this summer. There was no mention of flattened mountains. But if you looked at the landscape there are plenty of raised flatlands, that look like they formed from ancient rivers. Either way, its pretty well confirmed that the people of the Nazca desert pretty much worked alone.

[prez420]

First let me get this out of the way I don't think it really matters if the world ends in 2012 or the year 4012. We all live for the time we were destined to live because things like time don't mean much to God. What God wants is all of us to live each day as the day b4 we face him. Think about it, if you knew you would have to face God tomorrow would you live today the same as you if you knew you wouldn't have to face God for another 50 years? Of course you wouldn't. But to God time doesn't matter he sees your whole life at once. In other words everything you have done is as fresh in God's memory as if you done it only a minute ago. So the only way you can prepare is to accept the fact that things like the length of your life and when the world ends are meaningless b4 God because the entire span of the universe's history all happens instantly for God. There is no yesterday or tomorrow with God there is only now. I know the concept of no time can be hard for some people to grasp but I hope I explained it well enough.

Even the most skeptical person has to admit 2012 has a lot of interesting things happening that year. Take the supercollider in France/Switzerland that is coming online in 2012 it is the largest supercollider ever built and the scientist say that it can accelerate partials to 99.9% the speed of light and can create micro-black holes. The same scientist say that the black holes are so small that they will vanish almost instantly and cause no collateral damage but other scientist are saying if things don't go as they predicted a 1/4 of the planet can be destroyed instantly. I don't mean a 1/4 of humanity i mean a 1/4 of the whole planet kinda like cutting 1/4 slice of a pie and removing the slice. Thats not even the worst case scenario the worst case would be creating a black hole that keeps expanding until it consumes the entire solar system. Other things like our solar system entering the galactic plain on 2012 and causing the earth's magnetic field to weaken and solar activity to increase are also very interesting things that are all going to happen in 2012.


People like blaming God/Jesus for the end of the world and by proxy christians but thats just not true because according to the bible the end of the world comes because of humanity. Everything God say's is a sin is a sin for reason. Every single commandment of the 10 commandments has negative consequences for not following them. This is not opinion its fact. Most of them are pretty obvious like commandment 6 "You shall not murder." but breaking 1. " You shall have no other gods before me." and 2. "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything" are what really dooms humanity and most people don't understand why. Lets take commandment 1, breaking this commandment might not seem that bad cuz it appears God is just being selfish but breaking this commandment means you open yourself up to being tricked. Let me explain if everyone followed the 1st commandment it would be impossible for the anti-christ/beast to take over the planet because people would never accept the government having more power than God. It also means by proxy you will try to the best of your ability to adhere to the other 9 commandments because they are the rules of life given to you by the one and only God of existence and not even a fool wont stop and listen when the creator of everything says something is dangerous. Now for 2. It's pretty much worshiping the creation instead of worshiping the creator and this leaves you open to being influenced by satan because its his mission in life to tempt us away from God through earthly means such as lust greed envy etc.. Which in turn means you begin caring less and less about the other commandments and reach a point where they don't mean a thing to you anymore.

Anyway I know for a fact 2012 isn't the end because the bible says the world will have 7 years left after the anti-christ takes over so that means even if the anti-christ starts the world government and makes single world currency in 2012 the world will still have 7 years left. As for the mayan putting alot of weight on 2012 I think there might be some truth to it because Jesus might have came to the americas during the time he was gone after his resurrection to warn the peoples that would be wiped out before christianity reached them because Jesus loves everyone and wanted to give them a chance to be saved. Maybe the only way those peoples could understand what Jesus was telling was thru stellar events because each culture has its own way of doing things and Jesus would know that he would have to phrase his message differently depending on the people if everyone was to understand it. No one can be certain because Jesus himself said no one knows the time of the end except God. All we can really do is live our lives according to the example Jesus set for us and hope Jesus returns soon to save us from ourselves.

[littlefoot]

Originally Posted by prez420

First let me get this out of the way I don't think it really matters if the world ends in 2012 or the year 4012. We all live for the time we were destined to live because things like time don't mean much to God. What God wants is all of us to live each day as the day b4 we face him. Think about it, if you knew you would have to face God tomorrow would you live today the same as you if you knew you wouldn't have to face God for another 50 years? Of course you wouldn't. But to God time doesn't matter he sees your whole life at once. In other words everything you have done is as fresh in God's memory as if you done it only a minute ago. So the only way you can prepare is to accept the fact that things like the length of your life and when the world ends are meaningless b4 God because the entire span of the universe's history all happens instantly for God. There is no yesterday or tomorrow with God there is only now. I know the concept of no time can be hard for some people to grasp but I hope I explained it well enough.

Even the most skeptical person has to admit 2012 has a lot of interesting things happening that year. Take the supercollider in France/Switzerland that is coming online in 2012 it is the largest supercollider ever built and the scientist say that it can accelerate partials to 99.9% the speed of light and can create micro-black holes. The same scientist say that the black holes are so small that they will vanish almost instantly and cause no collateral damage but other scientist are saying if things don't go as they predicted a 1/4 of the planet can be destroyed instantly. I don't mean a 1/4 of humanity i mean a 1/4 of the whole planet kinda like cutting 1/4 slice of a pie and removing the slice. Thats not even the worst case scenario the worst case would be creating a black hole that keeps expanding until it consumes the entire solar system. Other things like our solar system entering the galactic plain on 2012 and causing the earth's magnetic field to weaken and solar activity to increase are also very interesting things that are all going to happen in 2012.


People like blaming God/Jesus for the end of the world and by proxy christians but thats just not true because according to the bible the end of the world comes because of humanity. Everything God say's is a sin is a sin for reason. Every single commandment of the 10 commandments has negative consequences for not following them. This is not opinion its fact. Most of them are pretty obvious like commandment 6 "You shall not murder." but breaking 1. " You shall have no other gods before me." and 2. "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything" are what really dooms humanity and most people don't understand why. Lets take commandment 1, breaking this commandment might not seem that bad cuz it appears God is just being selfish but breaking this commandment means you open yourself up to being tricked. Let me explain if everyone followed the 1st commandment it would be impossible for the anti-christ/beast to take over the planet because people would never accept the government having more power than God. It also means by proxy you will try to the best of your ability to adhere to the other 9 commandments because they are the rules of life given to you by the one and only God of existence and not even a fool wont stop and listen when the creator of everything says something is dangerous. Now for 2. It's pretty much worshiping the creation instead of worshiping the creator and this leaves you open to being influenced by satan because its his mission in life to tempt us away from God through earthly means such as lust greed envy etc.. Which in turn means you begin caring less and less about the other commandments and reach a point where they don't mean a thing to you anymore.

Anyway I know for a fact 2012 isn't the end because the bible says the world will have 7 years left after the anti-christ takes over so that means even if the anti-christ starts the world government and makes single world currency in 2012 the world will still have 7 years left. As for the mayan putting alot of weight on 2012 I think there might be some truth to it because Jesus might have came to the americas during the time he was gone after his resurrection to warn the peoples that would be wiped out before christianity reached them because Jesus loves everyone and wanted to give them a chance to be saved. Maybe the only way those peoples could understand what Jesus was telling was thru stellar events because each culture has its own way of doing things and Jesus would know that he would have to phrase his message differently depending on the people if everyone was to understand it. No one can be certain because Jesus himself said no one knows the time of the end except God. All we can really do is live our lives according to the example Jesus set for us and hope Jesus returns soon to save us from ourselves.

This is all very comforting and nice theology, but, With all due respect , how do you know the bible is right and the Quran or Shamanism, Hindusim, pastafarianism are wrong?

Also where in the Bible is the end of the world predicted, I was always under the impression this was some evangelical "interpretation".

[mushroomsatsuji]

Originally Posted by MelT

I will happily bet with anyone who believes in a 2012 cataclysm that nothing, at all, not even a little bit, will happen.

MelT

Ill take you on that bet, but Im not one of the ones who thinks the world is going to end. My prediction is that its going to be a new age of humanity. From everything Ive seen, I feel we are building up to something big. I think I heard this on the Matrix, but a natural state that becomes unnatural will soon turn back to its natural state. Again, referencing the matrix, humanity is a virus. If the earth is like our bodies, it will attempt to destroy that virus.

So I will bet you something will happen. I dont know what, but something is.

[Slater420]

LOL..2012..my computer calander goes up to the year 2500+(i just dont want to keep clicking ...this will take for ever.)
now people who are you going to trust some extinct fucks with a gay ass shitty calander...or my Dell Windows Vista calander...?

hmm

[tripleoptic]

Originally Posted by mushroomsatsuji

Ill take you on that bet, but Im not one of the ones who thinks the world is going to end. My prediction is that its going to be a new age of humanity. From everything Ive seen, I feel we are building up to something big. I think I heard this on the Matrix, but a natural state that becomes unnatural will soon turn back to its natural state. Again, referencing the matrix, humanity is a virus. If the earth is like our bodies, it will attempt to destroy that virus.

So I will bet you something will happen. I dont know what, but something is.

Some Mayan people will probably be throwing a party because they don't have to answer questions about 2012 anymore. But other than that probably not much else will happen.

Here's a Mayan scholar's take on it.

[Slater420]

dont and i repeat dont belle da hype peeps.

[mushroomsatsuji]

Originally Posted by tripleoptic

Some Mayan people will probably be throwing a party because they don't have to answer questions about 2012 anymore. But other than that probably not much else will happen.

Here's a Mayan scholar's take on it.

Im not talking about mayans. They are overtalked. Scientists believe that the Earth might shift polarities around 2012, so I think that would be a big thing.