An Evil animal mind

[g0pher]

I was wondering what other people think, Do animals have the ability to be evil or bad?

Look at Monkeys, Lions, Dolphins, Dogs, Wilderbeest ET.MUTHERFUCKING.C!

Do you think any of these animals ever killed just for the joy of it? Or was it psychological Issues/Instincts / hormones that drives the animal to do what it does when it does it

[My Fax]

I don't think so.


I say that because nature has a very fine balance. Animals killing for sport would upset that balance, and in turn, possibly hurt their chances of survival.

Whether an animal has the ability to be good/evil? In the wild, no. Pets on the otherhand, I might think differently.


People will raise dogs to be vicious, and to pretty much attack anything that moves. They also raise dogs to love unconditionally.

Granted it's because of how their owners raised then. But whether or not the animal is good/evil is debatable.


Personally, I don't think animals are capable of it.

[pavlakos]

id say its only plausible to assume that since animals can experience fear, they have to have the opposite extreme emotion of love; thus giving them the capability to choose between right and wrong, fear and love. then why dont we see any maniacal, criminal animals? could nature of life be more toard the perceived 'good'? or more a balance of both, taking the necessary 'bad' action when felt necessary. the question is can they feel these feelings to the same magnitude we can?

[Ezav420]

i dont think theyre naturally "evil" or "good". i think animals just do what they gotta do to survive, and in a household they pick up the emotions/ training from their owner.

[pavlakos]

but in the wild they would not have fear?

[remdog]

Originally Posted by My Fax

I don't think so.


I say that because nature has a very fine balance. Animals killing for sport would upset that balance, and in turn, possibly hurt their chances of survival.

Whether an animal has the ability to be good/evil? In the wild, no. Pets on the otherhand, I might think differently.


People will raise dogs to be vicious, and to pretty much attack anything that moves. They also raise dogs to love unconditionally.

Granted it's because of how their owners raised then. But whether or not the animal is good/evil is debatable.


Personally, I don't think animals are capable of it.

the point where i see this is flawed is within in the question, are humans any less natural than any thing else? i say no.

and to this i also add is a human killing someone else anything more than its own survival? a criminal for example carries a gun, robs a bank to get money to get by, cops oppose him, and he shoots the cops in fear of giving up his flourisihng life. is this any different than say a crocadile killing a wilderbeast to feed its self and family?isnt that whay the criminal robbed the bank, to feed his family and him self?

dont we also raise humans to be vicious, i mean a crimainal maser mind is trained by one influence or another, and a football player the same? dont we train humans in that smae way?

just some ideas

[fearthebug]

Originally Posted by remdog

the point where i see this is flawed is within in the question, are humans any less natural than any thing else? i say no.

and to this i also add is a human killing someone else anything more than its own survival? a criminal for example carries a gun, robs a bank to get money to get by, cops oppose him, and he shoots the cops in fear of giving up his flourisihng life. is this any different than say a crocadile killing a wilderbeast to feed its self and family?isnt that whay the criminal robbed the bank, to feed his family and him self?

dont we also raise humans to be vicious, i mean a crimainal maser mind is trained by one influence or another, and a football player the same? dont we train humans in that smae way?

just some ideas

i pretty much agree with what you're saying. we do what we gotta do to survive. the only difference is, our brains are able to process our actions on many, many different and complicated levels. more than any other animal brain, i'd assume. we're able to assign "good" and "bad" to all the various means of survival, but they're still just means.

[remdog]

Originally Posted by fearthebug

i pretty much agree with what you're saying. we do what we gotta do to survive. the only difference is, our brains are able to process our actions on many, many different and complicated levels. more than any other animal brain, i'd assume. we're able to assign "good" and "bad" to all the various means of survival, but they're still just means.

yea for sure. i like lookin at it that way. however i disagree and would say that animals do assign good and bad. i mean my dog for example treats me differently when i treat it more negativly and knows to respond by treating me in a bad way. so i think animals brains are just as complicated. but if you must say human brains are more complicated i love the way you look at it

[fearthebug]

Originally Posted by remdog

yea for sure. i like lookin at it that way. however i disagree and would say that animals do assign good and bad. i mean my dog for example treats me differently when i treat it more negativly and knows to respond by treating me in a bad way. so i think animals brains are just as complicated. but if you must say human brains are more complicated i love the way you look at it

but if your dog would have never interacted with you previously, he might react entirely differently. it's hard to say since the dog has had plenty of time to form a relationship with you and act accordingly.

[remdog]

ok, fair point

but animals know danger and fear items that relate to danger, thus have an evil connotation about thoose things, to me this is enough evidence to say that they do assign good/evil

[Zylark]

First I think seperating anything into black and white dichotomies like good or evil, is a bit hasty. Actions should looked upon within its frame of reference, not isolated.

As such, I'd be more inclined to think in lines of beneficial towards group or individual or detrimental towards group or individual. Or in short, conformity or antisocial.

Seeing as most higher animals live in packs, most higher animals also have a social understanding of behaviour within that pack. Those that do not conform, the antisocial ones, are usually ousted and left to their own devices. A chimp that steals food or kills another chimp outside of the fight for being alpha-male, is soon found wandering the plains by themselves.

The social hiearchy demands it. Humans being animals aswell, we see this same mechanism in us. Except, we put people in prison.

It is said that good people don't need laws to behave as good people. Bad people on the other hand, do all they can to circumvent those laws, in order to behave bad.

Like all other pack-animals, we have a majority doing the right thing for no other reason than that it feels right, it is what is expected of us. But some invariably try to freeload. Productive members of the society and leeches.

We find it in us, and all other higher animals with a social structure.

[remdog]

Originally Posted by Zylark

First I think seperating anything into black and white dichotomies like good or evil, is a bit hasty. Actions should looked upon within its frame of reference, not isolated.

As such, I'd be more inclined to think in lines of beneficial towards group or individual or detrimental towards group or individual. Or in short, conformity or antisocial.

Seeing as most higher animals live in packs, most higher animals also have a social understanding of behaviour within that pack. Those that do not conform, the antisocial ones, are usually ousted and left to their own devices. A chimp that steals food or kills another chimp outside of the fight for being alpha-male, is soon found wandering the plains by themselves.

The social hiearchy demands it. Humans being animals aswell, we see this same mechanism in us. Except, we put people in prison.

It is said that good people don't need laws to behave as good people. Bad people on the other hand, do all they can to circumvent those laws, in order to behave bad.

Like all other pack-animals, we have a majority doing the right thing for no other reason than that it feels right, it is what is expected of us. But some invariably try to freeload. Productive members of the society and leeches.

We find it in us, and all other higher animals with a social structure.

come on now meng, i know what your sayin but eliminate the word higher, every fricken animal does. ants man, ants who refuse to conform are left, same with almost all insects. its basic survival of the fittest and natural selction, animals know whats up, if they cant pull the load dont pull there part of the load. they all do it meng

[NeOmega]

"Good" and "Bad" just depends on perspective.

Cold-blooded murder, something most would consider evil, isn't that bad when dealing with survival, like killing zombies or killing for food. Animals may have the core ingredients to demonstrate one or the other, but because they lack the perspective, it is something they are incapable of leaning towards one way or the other. If they do seem to express one more than the other, its probably just the result of human intervention.

[obejii]

The answer is simply No because there is no good or bad. good/bad depends to much on the unknown variable of perception. whet i consider bad( HITLER) someone else may see as good (Nazi's believe hitler is good)
so with that said
I WIN THE CONTEST
give me my prize!

[Stzaloc]

if animals killed for sport, might as well call them republicans.....i mean....