Ideas about humans... exceed all?

[jakkzz]

Do you think that people were put on the world by some supernatural being or a God with the idea that we were going to evolve into something big? Or did we exceed the ideal creatures capacity?

I hope that makes sense... if not, just ask me to explain something. I'm really curious to know what you think. This is one of the questions I wonder about most.

[remdog]

sorry man but i belive the almost exact opposite. it seems to me, that we are wild, just as any other living being, therefore we are not greater, nor lesser than any other being. just as every other animal, are killing and birth of life is part of a whole circle, and when the next mass extinction occurs, just as the dinosaurs and most all others signs life, we will die, and it will be the 4th mass extinction. this will give birth to new species and the circle will repet it self.

[jakkzz]

are killing and birth of life is part of a whole circle, and when the next mass extinction occurs, just as the dinosaurs and most all others signs life, we will die, and it will be the 4th mass extinction. this will give birth to new species and the circle will repet it self.

It's cool I see where you say we are wild as well... that's so right. You think that we are modern-day dinosaurs? Because we are the power of the animal kingdom?

Wait... Do you not agree that humans are in control of the world as a species? Because we have made so many connetions and advances in knowledge that we have built a civilization.

I have another idea after you answer this.

[seahag]

we're not in control, its a short-term occupation.

[Razzy]

I'd have to disagree by saying humans are both the greatest and worst species to have ever existed. In no other period of time have we as a civilization been so capable of creating or destroying ourselves. Regardless of how wild we are, and I do believe we are nothing short of feral, we are bound to a responsibility that no other creature has ever had control of. We, as humans, are able to expand and deminish our very existence with the flip of a switch, in both death and procreation.

For as incredibly vast our knowledge has grown about the world, I feel our understanding of the inner workings of man have barely been scratched. The final frontier exists within our own mind, and we may never find the vechicle to explore it fully, save for the undying willingness that we all share.

[remdog]

Originally Posted by jakkzz

are killing and birth of life is part of a whole circle, and when the next mass extinction occurs, just as the dinosaurs and most all others signs life, we will die, and it will be the 4th mass extinction. this will give birth to new species and the circle will repet it self.

It's cool I see where you say we are wild as well... that's so right. You think that we are modern-day dinosaurs? Because we are the power of the animal kingdom?

Wait... Do you not agree that humans are in control of the world as a species? Because we have made so many connetions and advances in knowledge that we have built a civilization.

I have another idea after you answer this.

i would say it is reasonable to say we are similar to modern day dinosaurs in the power we have, but i say we are not in control of the world as a species. the reason i say this is we have made many advancements, but yet anything we can do, certain animals can do as well. we fly with some help, birds fly with their advances in heart, limb, and body structure. ants, have a civilization much like our own, bigger ants do more intensive labor and fight battles, smaller ants aid as a group, and together as a whole each ant colony expands and fights off other colonies in order to survive just as humans do. i think, even though i am typing on a computer right now, which i know an ant cannot do we are only more advance in achieving our species goals, which may simply be exploring and gaining knowledge. but a cheatah who can travel at 60 m.p.h. is more efficient at its goal of survival through hunting gazelle and other creatures. we are no more advance than any other species, to say this would be being "speciest" know what i mean man? whats your idea?

[trawepale]

Originally Posted by remdog

sorry man but i belive the almost exact opposite. it seems to me, that we are wild, just as any other living being, therefore we are not greater, nor lesser than any other being. just as every other animal, are killing and birth of life is part of a whole circle, and when the next mass extinction occurs, just as the dinosaurs and most all others signs life, we will die, and it will be the 4th mass extinction. this will give birth to new species and the circle will repet it self.

5 major extinctions have already occurred.

but back on topic....

i don't think we were put here by anything but, rather we evolved into the human species via mutations and natural selection. We aren't the "greatest" species alive. we just are are able to pass knowledge down from generation to generation with our use complex system of symbols which aided in our spreading to virtually the whole planet.

[remdog]

Originally Posted by trawepale

5 major extinctions have already occurred.

but back on topic....

i don't think we were put here by anything but, rather we evolved into the human species via mutations and natural selection. We aren't the "greatest" species alive. we just are are able to pass knowledge down from generation to generation with our use complex system of symbols which aided in our spreading to virtually the whole planet.

all i have to say to that is every species in the world passes knowledge down from generation to generation- how to hunt, how to dig, how to make a nest, where to migrate to, everything does it man, everything.

[Blaze all day]

I would not say we exceded our intended capacity, more like we are at our capacity, but we twisted it. I think we were ment to stay tribal, surviving off wild fruit instead of chickens raised in cages and then slaughtered so we can sit on our asses and get fat.
See what im sayin? theres a fork in the road, god wants us to go left but we go right.

[trawepale]

Originally Posted by remdog

all i have to say to that is every species in the world passes knowledge down from generation to generation- how to hunt, how to dig, how to make a nest, where to migrate to, everything does it man, everything.

sure do. but, they don't do it quite the same way we do it is what i'm trying to say. the more or less teach by way example where we can use language or our complex system of symbols.

[remdog]

Originally Posted by trawepale

sure do. but, they don't do it quite the same way we do it is what i'm trying to say. the more or less teach by way example where we can use language or our complex system of symbols.

a wolf dosent talk using different tones of barks? it doesent use body language as a symbol? of course it does. they show emotion too. they have language and use symbols

[trawepale]

Originally Posted by remdog

a wolf dosent talk using different tones of barks? it doesent use body language as a symbol? of course it does. they show emotion too. they have language and use symbols

wow you clearly have no idea what i'm talking about. and what i'm talking about is writing or what i'm doing right now typing. body language is not a COMPLEX SYSTEM OF SYMBOLS such as the symbol we crated with the lines and dashes to form different languages and alphabet, numbers etc.


i never said they don't teach or don't show emotion.

hope now you understand and stop trying to prove me wrong.

[remdog]

Originally Posted by trawepale

wow you clearly have no idea what i'm talking about. and what i'm talking about is writing or what i'm doing right now typing. body language is not a COMPLEX SYSTEM OF SYMBOLS such as the symbol we crated with the lines and dashes to form different languages and alphabet, numbers etc.


i never said they don't teach or don't show emotion.

hope now you understand and stop trying to prove me wrong.

no i do understand what you are sayin, and what i am saying is they do have a complex system of communication via symbols and language. dolphins are the easist example for this....... and many other sea creatures. echolocation happens to be perhaps the most complex form of language on the planet.

its not fair to say that because we can type and shit its more complex than a dogs form of communication- a dog has no damn need to type. and in fact even indengionous tribes, thats right humans with the same biological brain as you have no need to type and therefor do not know how to, despite the fact that their brain is biologicaly identical, they are no less complex.

even what we tend to call "cave men" are in the same form of human as we are, and biologicaly have an almost identical brain, yet their form of language seems simple to us, but their from of language fit their needs just as a dogs does, and by no means is it simple. we could not easily communicate with a true caveman.

[trawepale]

no you really have no clue what I'm talking about. as for echolocation, its primary uses are for hunting and navigation when visibility is poor. and typing is just an example don't over analyze it. I do know that animals communicative with each other and I'm not refuting that which it seems you think I am.

[klizzle]

How do we even know we were even the first intelligent species to arise? According to that special on National Geographic, all obvious signs of human life (if we disappeared of the face of the earth) would vanish within ~1000 years. Have humans lasted long enough that archeologists 65 million years from now would be able to know we ever existed?

Just some food for thought, because in all likelihood we are the first.