the REAL problem is overpopulation

[L Rag]

Originally Posted by redeyedfuk

Yeah man the fuckin chinese are growing loads too. Theres too may of them and they always try and beat the rest at everything.

At least they don't ruin whole nations and nuke cities and start wars. America causes a lot more problems than China does.

[eyec0n]

Originally Posted by L Rag

At least they don't ruin whole nations and nuke cities and start wars. America causes a lot more problems than China does.

They dont start wars lol are you fucking serious. Tell Taiwan that... or Tibet. The only reason they dont start wars is because WE (the US) wont let them. You know how many ballistic missiles China has pointed at Taiwan right now? Were talking about a communist country that practiced (and still does in some areas) killing children to prevent over population. Now the country is full of males to the point were the social structer is wayyyy messed up. Do a little research before making stupid statements. Everyone has its problems, not just the big ol evil usa. Yeah the US is evil for nuking cities, we should have just let the japs keep raping China and the nazi's keep killing all the jews and blacks in africa. Do you understand military strategy at all? You think it would have been better to try and invade Japan by conventional means? I dont think so.

Ruin whole nations? You mean Iraq? Yeah because that country was thriving before we "ruined it." Or are you talking about Afganistan? The place where women had 0 rights, couldn't even go anywhere unless escorted by a man. The country who's biggest export is Opium... Yeah we just came in and ruined that nation. Damn us for getting rid of al-quada, giving women rights and building schools & hospitals... we suck for that.

[L Rag]

Originally Posted by eyec0n

They dont start wars lol are you fucking serious. Tell Taiwan that... or Tibet. The only reason they dont start wars is because WE (the US) wont let them. You know how many ballistic missiles China has pointed at Taiwan right now? Were talking about a communist country that practiced (and still does in some areas) killing children to prevent over population. Now the country is full of males to the point were the social structer is wayyyy messed up. Do a little research before making stupid statements. Everyone has its problems, not just the big ol evil usa. Yeah the US is evil for nuking cities, we should have just let the japs keep raping China and the nazi's keep killing all the jews and blacks in africa. Do you understand military strategy at all? You think it would have been better to try and invade Japan by conventional means? I dont think so.

Ruin whole nations? You mean Iraq? Yeah because that country was thriving before we "ruined it." Or are you talking about Afganistan? The place where women had 0 rights, couldn't even go anywhere unless escorted by a man. The country who's biggest export is Opium... Yeah we just came in and ruined that nation. Damn us for getting rid of al-quada, giving women rights and building schools & hospitals... we suck for that.

Okay which war has China started? Thats not a WAR in Tibet... of course the US wont let them. Thats the point, if China started a war against the US they'd be gone straight away, taking a hell of a lot out with them. So you think that the nuke was fucking necessary? There were other ways to stop a war don't be so narrow minded. Japan and the axis were already losing when they nuked it... And even, in a completely untrue scenario, the axis were winning at that point in time, would it still be necessary? How would you like to have been in Hiroshima? Huh? It's fucked up, don't defend that bullshit.

Maybe they didn't completely ruin Iraq, but just because it was already fucked up doesn't mean they haven't contributed a hell of a lot. Getting rid of al-quada and giving women rights and buildings schools and hospitals what the fuck? Is al quada obsolete? Have we given women equality? BOMBING FUCKING CIVILIANS isn't the way to do that. How many innocent civilians do you think have died? Is that fair? Building schools and hospitals, haha, yeah, and bombing all the other ones. What's wrong with Opium being a country's biggest export? All countries have resources and Opium happens to be a big resource there.

[HoldSteady]

those bombs were dropped on cities that had almost no military importance
there were probably other ways we could of handled it like blockades around the island or something
but who knows it happened so we have to live with it.

[BlazinX1]

Originally Posted by seahag

sick of it? you must be from a first world country with that sort of attitude, and internet.
and being from a first world country would allow you of all people to be more effective, and help change such problems. these are poor poor areas you are talking about. people who are birthed into poverty. from a young age these kids are working for the lowest of wages so you can sit on your ass and eat all those munchies. work is the keyword of these poverty stricken areas. 60% of of the food produced in 3rd world country's are exported.

the fact of the matter on these large families is these women are born working these extremely low wages just so they can have a meal weekly, sometimes. they dont go to school, they arent taught their language from books, and computers. these women are illiterate. they dont have a shelf of pamphlets telling them the dangers of meth, and coke, or let alone of safe sex, and how to avoid pregnancy. they have no access to protection. and maybe if your government, and family, and society wasnt so focused on our riches, and technology something would be done about it.

overpopulation wont cease to exist, and with that much more of us sitting on these computers, needing all this excess food for our daily meals, and such... this poverty will only get worse, the gap will only widen, and ignorant comments like yours will only increase.

I never said anything about third world countries, there are plenty of people in the US on welfare who continue to have unprotected sex and have more children only furthering those in poverty.

[Maitereya]

they have 20 kids because 5 die at birth and another 10 die before they are 10. then the other 5 remaining are needed to do work in the family farm, which doesn't produce enough for the 5 kids.

theres a grain shortage right now, particularly affecting afghanastan. im sure most people dont care about the afghanis but its more than that. with energy(ethanol) and grain interconnected we will see grain and oil go up in price together.

i dont know about anyone else but i think ethanol is the stupidest idea. im all for nuclear power, i think thats the most reasonable solution to the food shortage/energy shortage problems. again i dont think that theres an overpopulation problem theres a stupid people problem.

so 1- create a few hundred nuclear power plants across the planet. 2- put heavy restrictions on corporations polluting. 3- send jobs to 3rd world countries

1 ends the energy crisis 2 slows the global warming threat and the impact it has on food/water supplies 3 it gets the poorest countries on the first step of the economic ladder causing them to have less kids and a more stable life

see its not overpopulation thats the problem, its dumb people

[eyec0n]

Originally Posted by L Rag

Okay which war has China started? Thats not a WAR in Tibet... of course the US wont let them. Thats the point, if China started a war against the US they'd be gone straight away, taking a hell of a lot out with them. So you think that the nuke was fucking necessary? There were other ways to stop a war don't be so narrow minded. Japan and the axis were already losing when they nuked it... And even, in a completely untrue scenario, the axis were winning at that point in time, would it still be necessary? How would you like to have been in Hiroshima? Huh? It's fucked up, don't defend that bullshit.

Maybe they didn't completely ruin Iraq, but just because it was already fucked up doesn't mean they haven't contributed a hell of a lot. Getting rid of al-quada and giving women rights and buildings schools and hospitals what the fuck? Is al quada obsolete? Have we given women equality? BOMBING FUCKING CIVILIANS isn't the way to do that. How many innocent civilians do you think have died? Is that fair? Building schools and hospitals, haha, yeah, and bombing all the other ones. What's wrong with Opium being a country's biggest export? All countries have resources and Opium happens to be a big resource there.

I'm not getting into anything with you if you cant read my post correctly. China is badllyyyy wanting to invade Tiawan, the US is the only thing that stops China from doing it. I never mentioned China and the US just going to war with each other without it starting through a third party. You also still are not realizing your military strategy when it comes to invading the Japenese island... a fanatical defense who will fight till the death and arm women/children will always conquer an invading force... or take hundreds of thousands of people with it. I'll defend our right to use the nuke untill I die, because the people I argue against have no clue wtf they are talking about.

Another thing... did we have spy satellites flying over japan? No. Human spies in Japan? No... how the hell did we know what was being produced where in 1940... Our intelligence capabilities then were not what they are today, I dont think you realize that at all! A couple of black and white photographs cant give you the intel we have now.

Dont believe everything you see on Fox or Al-jizzinhand. So wheres your links to all our recent civilian bombings? Or are you talking about the start of the war when these cowards were using civilians as human shields? I'm done argueing with someone who doesn't understand his head from his ass.

http://www.thestate.com/sc-at-war/story/375163.html >> notice the woman showing her face... because this was NEVER allowed under Al-Quada... We will never get rid of Al-Quada like we will never get rid of Nazi's... There will always be some dumb post-neo-xxxx group that makes it live on.
http://www.pbs.org/now/news/309.html
http://www.msh.org/afghanistan/techn...city_MOPH.html
http://www.defenselink.mil/News/news....aspx?id=14520

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Afghanistan

According to the International Monetary Fund, the Afghan economy grew 20% in the fiscal year ending in March 2004, after expanding 30% in the previous 12 months. The growth is attributed to international aid and to the end of droughts. An estimated $4.4 billion US dollars of aid entered the nation from 2002 to 2004, about equal to its GDP. A GDP of US $4 billion in fiscal year 2003 was recalculated by the IMF to $6.5 billion, after adding proceeds from opium products

Yeah we haven't done shit but bomb the civilians...have a nice day!

[pavlakos]

Originally Posted by L Rag

At least they don't ruin whole nations and nuke cities and start wars. America causes a lot more problems than China does.

id like to point out that all of our military hardware is made by china. by 'our' i mean america. so just because they dont cause problems firsthand, doesnt make them any better. its like giving a 5 year old a handgun...LETS GO KILL SOME ARABS!!!



PS: that was a joke....

[eyec0n]

Originally Posted by pavlakos

id like to point out that all of our military hardware is made by china. by 'our' i mean america. so just because they dont cause problems firsthand, doesnt make them any better. its like giving a 5 year old a handgun...LETS GO KILL SOME ARABS!!!



PS: that was a joke....

another good point. Lets not forget they not only supply the US with some weapons but all the 3rd world nations as well. Who arms North Korea? Who arms Iran? Who arms the African warlords? Who arms Pakistan? Who arms Sudan? Who arms Myanmar? Who arms Nepal? China does! Oh the UN has you under trade restrictions? Doesn't matter to china!

[L Rag]

Originally Posted by eyec0n

I'm not getting into anything with you if you cant read my post correctly. China is badllyyyy wanting to invade Tiawan, the US is the only thing that stops China from doing it. I never mentioned China and the US just going to war with each other without it starting through a third party. You also still are not realizing your military strategy when it comes to invading the Japenese island... a fanatical defense who will fight till the death and arm women/children will always conquer an invading force... or take hundreds of thousands of people with it. I'll defend our right to use the nuke untill I die, because the people I argue against have no clue wtf they are talking about.

Another thing... did we have spy satellites flying over japan? No. Human spies in Japan? No... how the hell did we know what was being produced where in 1940... Our intelligence capabilities then were not what they are today, I dont think you realize that at all! A couple of black and white photographs cant give you the intel we have now.

Dont believe everything you see on Fox or Al-jizzinhand. So wheres your links to all our recent civilian bombings? Or are you talking about the start of the war when these cowards were using civilians as human shields? I'm done argueing with someone who doesn't understand his head from his ass.

http://www.thestate.com/sc-at-war/story/375163.html >> notice the woman showing her face... because this was NEVER allowed under Al-Quada... We will never get rid of Al-Quada like we will never get rid of Nazi's... There will always be some dumb post-neo-xxxx group that makes it live on.
http://www.pbs.org/now/news/309.html
http://www.msh.org/afghanistan/techn...city_MOPH.html
http://www.defenselink.mil/News/news....aspx?id=14520

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Afghanistan


Yeah we haven't done shit but bomb the civilians...have a nice day!

Haha bro stop being a prick and lets have a DISCUSSION not throw stupid insults.

You'll defend your "right" to use a nuke, what the fuck..since when did you have a right to nuke and kill hundreds of thousands of people just because it's your (bullshit) "right"? So I have the "right" to destroy your whole city and nearly everybody you've ever known if you get into a war with me? How would you like that? If you have a "right" to use a nuclear weapon, than so does everybody else (unless you're some elitist cunt). And so what's stopping everyone else from nuking the fuck out of you?

I don't give a fuck if America didn't have spies in Japan (which you can fucking bet they did, I know it's not today but if you think they didn't have spies in the 40's you're sadly mistaked). The fact of the matter is, America killed a whole city in about 2 seconds. Not to mention the nuclear fallout that's still ruining the ecology. Is that your right?

What you basically said about China not going to Taiwan because of the US highlights my point, the US is pretty much the biggest bully in the playground. Which definitely doesn't mean they're innocent. The fact of the matter is, China is not at war, and USA is at war, a war which USA started. Those are the facts. You can't deny them.

I don't watch FOX and I haven't got a clue what Al-jizzinhand is. But if you think America isn't killing innocent civilians, then you're completely deluded. There are PHOTOS. MILLIONS OF PHOTOS. That's why I believe newspaper stories, because they have photos. You can't photoshop a picture of a 12 year old Iraqi boy lying on the ground in pain with his mates dead on the ground next to him. If you think that's bullshit and it's all lies, then well...You're paranoid dude.

And I know, I get your point about gender inequality. It's fucking stupid. But what right does America have to intervene and change the laws (which they haven't done and won't do ever)? How would you like it if Russia invaded USA trying to get rid of porn? America has no right.
But the fact of the matter is USA is doing SHIT ALL to get gender equality anyway. That is the bottom line.

[L Rag]

Originally Posted by eyec0n

another good point. Lets not forget they not only supply the US with some weapons but all the 3rd world nations as well. Who arms North Korea? Who arms Iran? Who arms the African warlords? Who arms Pakistan? Who arms Sudan? Who arms Myanmar? Who arms Nepal? China does! Oh the UN has you under trade restrictions? Doesn't matter to china!

Yeah thats a good point. I'm not saying China's perfect or anything haha. Just that neither is America.

[eyec0n]

I realize America isn't perfect... thats my point. Your sitting here saying all we've done is killed civillians, which is far from the truth. Can we really help that Muhammad fired his RPG at a tank and then hid in an elementary school or mosque for "safety?" Ive also seen the same images you have. One of the reasons I hate Israel and want to see it destroyed is because of the images I saw of dead lebanese children after they ruthelessly bombed the hell out of that country. Its really sad that innocent lives have to pay a price because of a few old bastards.

Give China another couple of years. When they surpass the US in terms of military capability, you'll be bitching about them too. I guarantee it. So since we a playing the big "bully," do you agree that its ok for China to have 500+ ballistic missiles pointed at Tiawan? Or how China threatens Tiawan saying it will destroy the nation if it tries to claim independance?

Also your still missing the point of the nuke... Yeah I feel bad for the Japanese that are still feeling the effect. But honestly, it was that or lose hundreds of thousands of Americans trying to invade the island. Its not our fault they sided with the Nazi's and attacked us, just like its not the rest of the worlds problem the US is getting fucked in Iraq right now. Also, the nuke had to be used at some point for the world to understand how fucked up it is as a weapon. Instead I think everyone got the wrong message, seems like everyone wants a nuke to "protect their interests" nowdays.

I've also been hardpressed to find info reguarding spies on the japenese island. Japan was very hardline about this. If they even suspect someone of being a spy, they were taking out with no questions asked. Now I know there were spies in China watching the japanese, but idk about on the japenese island itself. How would you land a spy in Japan during wartime? How would you communicate back to the US without the messages being intercepted? These are questions i cannot find answers to, which lead me to believe they didn't have spies on the island.

I dont see us agreeing on the china vs usa issue. Can we agree to dissagree?

[Bluntzilla420]

Ah...this is a topic that could take eternity to discuss. Human beings were placed on Earth for a sinificant purpose and it technically is ours and I don't see a way to argue around that. There is a reason no human beings inhibit Venus or Neptune. That turns into more of a scientific argument, but think about it. 6 billion people in hundreds of countries isn't the worst. Think of how many people you see every day who you never see again...it is a wild prospect. Thousands of people die each day as well. It is just the way things are.

[L Rag]

Originally Posted by Bluntzilla420

Ah...this is a topic that could take eternity to discuss. Human beings were placed on Earth for a sinificant purpose and it technically is ours and I don't see a way to argue around that. There is a reason no human beings inhibit Venus or Neptune. That turns into more of a scientific argument, but think about it. 6 billion people in hundreds of countries isn't the worst. Think of how many people you see every day who you never see again...it is a wild prospect. Thousands of people die each day as well. It is just the way things are.

Seeing as your whole argument rests on the assumption that humans were put on earth for a purpose - that a god exists - then you wont mind if I don't take it seriously..

[Smokey_mctoke]

We need to stop fucking, plain and simple. As Chris Rock said: "PUT THE DICK DOWN!!!! GET A JOB!!!"

Ruin whole nations? You mean Iraq? Yeah because that country was thriving before we "ruined it."

Are you serious?? We really did "fuck up" Iraq. No excuse there. No denying that. Iraquis' quality of life went to hell and beyond after we took "control". I don't think we will ever recover our reputation from that fiasco. We fucked up big time. Thank you G. "Dubyah" Bush (and I supported him on both elections )