Dark Energy/Matter

[Key2gb]

I was just thinking...

so according to a few sources the matter we base our perception off of makes up about 4% of the universe. Dark Matter makes 23% and the rest goes to Dark Energy.

Well I've been thinking a lot about the membranes (branes) brought up by M and String Theory and a thought occurred to me:

Do you think the "original" material of the universe is Dark Energy? Thinking of the membrane of our universe as a canvas of some sort...there is a canvas of Dark Energy floating around and once something happens (enter: Big Bang or the collision of two slates of higher-dimensional Dark Energy)...paint is splashed onto that canvas...Dark Matter and Regular Matter are formed...energy is transfered over from one membrane to the other in the form of matter...and thus creating a perceivable universe. Since the actual matter makes up a smaller portion of the universe at large (according to the little we currently know), wouldn't it make some kind of sense that Dark Energy is the material universes are made of and from that energy we get matter?

I honestly don't know nearly enough to be talking about this but I can't help but entertain the thought. Then again...our race knows next to nothing of this stuff as well in regards to the bigger picture. Maybe the key to understanding our universe lies in this Dark Energy.

Since the collision takes place in a higher dimension than what we can perceive...it almost makes complete sense that we wouldn't be able to define the singularity of the beginning with our version of physics...in addition to that...the laws of physics in the brane that collides with ours may have had different governing laws as well, which may have altered the way our universe works (and possibly it's own laws as well, since the collision contains such a high amount of energy, maybe the laws of each universe break down at that singularity)

haha i guess now i'm just rambling...any thought?/expansions?

[kinetic being]

To my knowledge, dark matter/energy is just energy/matter that we cannot pecieve via instuments as existing, except for "holes" in equations. The elusive dark energy/matter could just be another type we haven't observed yet. Therefore, matter and darkmatter, energy and darkenergy, are not different, still energy/matter, just not in the conventional sense we use, and not yet observable.

[bkadoctaj]

Originally Posted by Key2gb

I was just thinking...

so according to a few sources the matter we base our perception off of makes up about 4% of the universe. Dark Matter makes 23% and the rest goes to Dark Energy.

Well I've been thinking a lot about the membranes (branes) brought up by M and String Theory and a thought occurred to me:

Do you think the "original" material of the universe is Dark Energy? Thinking of the membrane of our universe as a canvas of some sort...there is a canvas of Dark Energy floating around and once something happens (enter: Big Bang or the collision of two slates of higher-dimensional Dark Energy)...paint is splashed onto that canvas...Dark Matter and Regular Matter are formed...energy is transfered over from one membrane to the other in the form of matter...and thus creating a perceivable universe. Since the actual matter makes up a smaller portion of the universe at large (according to the little we currently know), wouldn't it make some kind of sense that Dark Energy is the material universes are made of and from that energy we get matter?

I honestly don't know nearly enough to be talking about this but I can't help but entertain the thought. Then again...our race knows next to nothing of this stuff as well in regards to the bigger picture. Maybe the key to understanding our universe lies in this Dark Energy.

Since the collision takes place in a higher dimension than what we can perceive...it almost makes complete sense that we wouldn't be able to define the singularity of the beginning with our version of physics...in addition to that...the laws of physics in the brane that collides with ours may have had different governing laws as well, which may have altered the way our universe works (and possibly it's own laws as well, since the collision contains such a high amount of energy, maybe the laws of each universe break down at that singularity)

haha i guess now i'm just rambling...any thought?/expansions?

I think you are on to something. Some sort of inversion principle probably.

[Smokinscientist]

Very interestin Key2g.

It's always refreshing to hear a new spin on these questions.

If you're trying to develop a new idea or thoery, allow me to provide some criticism.

-what is the difference between dark energy and dark matter? In most basic derivations, both are more of less equal. What made you conclue they are different?
-According to you, real vs. dark energy is more of a stuggle between two states. Then why more, or less dark matter, than real matter? What parameter makes it that we are exposed to more matter than dark, or vice versa.
-If we get all energy from dark energy, then why does our observation, in this galaxie show a majority of real matter over dark.


Anyways, just a starting point. Feel free to read my comments and apply it to your theory.

[Key2gb]

Originally Posted by Smokinscientist

Very interestin Key2g.

It's always refreshing to hear a new spin on these questions.

If you're trying to develop a new idea or thoery, allow me to provide some criticism.

-what is the difference between dark energy and dark matter? In most basic derivations, both are more of less equal. What made you conclue they are different?
-According to you, real vs. dark energy is more of a stuggle between two states. Then why more, or less dark matter, than real matter? What parameter makes it that we are exposed to more matter than dark, or vice versa.
-If we get all energy from dark energy, then why does our observation, in this galaxie show a majority of real matter over dark.


Anyways, just a starting point. Feel free to read my comments and apply it to your theory.

my attempts at answers: ()

1.) Difference between dark energy and dark matter: Well i'm not sure what makes them different from each other...but I do have a thought concerning why they co-exist with regular matter and energy as well, and it goes back to the collision....maybe the regular matter we see comes from the collision of the two slates of dark energy and matter...the combination of two branes may produce a by-product - the matter we perceive...and what's left after a collision is the overwhleming amount of original universe material mixed with the remnants of the collision

-take a car crash..there are two cars that are unaware of each other...they collide while each car is using 100% of its energy..or going full speed....what results is two damaged cars and pieces of each car everywhere...some pieces fly off one car and into the other and some shards just fly away from the source and land on the street...well take the pieces of the car that end up in the other car....although in their own environment (their original car) they seem to fit perfectly, but once introduced to the other car they stand out dramatically (take a red door into the drivers seat of a black car or something)...on top of that, each car is completely different from what it was before the crash... (and now i'm thinking: what about the shards on the street??)

2.) why more dark matter/energy?...in my original post i kind of explained this....a universe is created out of an empty canvas of Dark Energy...now take the event described above (collision, AKA the big bang, AKA formation of a perceivable universe)...once a collision happens...real matter and energy (or what we know as real) are formed from the collision of two different branes..but let me explain why i think this is possible:

I am a huge believer that EVERYTHING, when you get down to it's core, is vibrations...i'm talking about EVERYTHING here from energy to conscious thought and emotion...we are all vibrating...which is why you can get good/bad vibes from someone without even really knowing them...you can "feel" out a situation....vibrations are interactions between everything...now when two vibrating entities meet, their vibrations can go well together, like a power chord on guitar (octave and a 5th - perfect intervals) or they can be dissonant like a flat 5 interval, where the wavelengths just don't match up (and don't confuse this for 'bad' necessarily...dissonance has it's own importance in certain ways)...well I beleive that these branes also have they own unique overall vibrations...and the collision of two differently-vibrating branes allows for the by-product of matter...if the vibrations go extremely well together, we can end up with something amazing like a universe that gives life to things like us...it's all in the vibes

and finally 3)...we observe more dark matter than regular matter in the universe don't we? this galaxy may have more 'real' matter for us to observe but that merely means we are living in a higher-density area of by-product

i'm not sure if I understand your question though..if you were talking about why humans actually perceive more matter than dark matter (with our senses [or maybe we do sense dark matter and just don't realize it..?])..then I think that's just because we are from the same by-product...we are stardust as people like to say


still working out the kinks i guess

[pavlakos]

Originally Posted by Key2gb

my attempts at answers: ()

1.) Difference between dark energy and dark matter: Well i'm not sure what makes them different from each other...but I do have a thought concerning why they co-exist with regular matter and energy as well, and it goes back to the collision....maybe the regular matter we see comes from the collision of the two slates of dark energy and matter...the combination of two branes may produce a by-product - the matter we perceive...and what's left after a collision is the overwhleming amount of original universe material mixed with the remnants of the collision

-take a car crash..there are two cars that are unaware of each other...they collide while each car is using 100% of its energy..or going full speed....what results is two damaged cars and pieces of each car everywhere...some pieces fly off one car and into the other and some shards just fly away from the source and land on the street...well take the pieces of the car that end up in the other car....although in their own environment (their original car) they seem to fit perfectly, but once introduced to the other car they stand out dramatically (take a red door into the drivers seat of a black car or something)...on top of that, each car is completely different from what it was before the crash... (and now i'm thinking: what about the shards on the street??)

2.) why more dark matter/energy?...in my original post i kind of explained this....a universe is created out of an empty canvas of Dark Energy...now take the event described above (collision, AKA the big bang, AKA formation of a perceivable universe)...once a collision happens...real matter and energy (or what we know as real) are formed from the collision of two different branes..but let me explain why i think this is possible:

I am a huge believer that EVERYTHING, when you get down to it's core, is vibrations...i'm talking about EVERYTHING here from energy to conscious thought and emotion...we are all vibrating...which is why you can get good/bad vibes from someone without even really knowing them...you can "feel" out a situation....vibrations are interactions between everything...now when two vibrating entities meet, their vibrations can go well together, like a power chord on guitar (octave and a 5th - perfect intervals) or they can be dissonant like a flat 5 interval, where the wavelengths just don't match up (and don't confuse this for 'bad' necessarily...dissonance has it's own importance in certain ways)...well I beleive that these branes also have they own unique overall vibrations...and the collision of two differently-vibrating branes allows for the by-product of matter...if the vibrations go extremely well together, we can end up with something amazing like a universe that gives life to things like us...it's all in the vibes

and finally 3)...we observe more dark matter than regular matter in the universe don't we? this galaxy may have more 'real' matter for us to observe but that merely means we are living in a higher-density area of by-product

i'm not sure if I understand your question though..if you were talking about why humans actually perceive more matter than dark matter (with our senses [or maybe we do sense dark matter and just don't realize it..?])..then I think that's just because we are from the same by-product...we are stardust as people like to say


still working out the kinks i guess

everything is just vibrations, and there is really no space between object if you think about it, there is always air molecules of sorts which we just cant see. in space its dark matter, we just cant see it. many old beliefs are being proven by modern science that matter is much deeper than 3d. if you believe you have a soul than it must be our souls which are really us, and we are all interconnected.

i have a theory. ill start it by introducing my man Lloyd Pye




that everything works interdimensionally and for some reason we percieve things 3 dimensionally. from what we have on the anunaki they created a dimensional prison to enslave their creation(humans). everything is much like the matrix.

this movie was posted a couple days ago, but here it is again. although it says its fact, its not, but is very plausible.




it was how much kabbalah seems to already know these 'new' discoveries which is wierd. i keep getting a gut instinct telling me the first couple of civilizations knew whats up.












the sumerians knew the exact placement of our planets in this solar system and how many planets we had, before the first telescope , and their 'gods' (the anunaki) were masters of genetics....question is how did they even know about genetics and the planets, things we didnt discover till thousands of years later. something tells me we havent discovered much at all, the ancients knew stuff we did find out till later...something wrong with that picture a bit? someone suppressing truth maybe? maybe not.

my theory is as follows.

all consious entities are normally interdimensional. there is a sort of dimensional prison keeping this planet (and probably surrounding planets) locked in 3d. this is where ID comes into play with evolution. i believe there was an overall ID but the time (remember time is only something that would apply to us) in which everything happened allowed for certain races to evolve by darwins theory of natural selection, and would have more if there was no tampering. but then the human as we know him today seems to have popped up out of nowhere, although there are a couple possible theories, mutations and such, there is not enough to make it fact. intelligent design is a good theory if only its intentions werent to get people to believe in chrtianity, but that DOES NOT rule out another race. whoever designed everything certainly wasnt god. there are enough skeletons to prove another race living here (megalithic structures, and huge humanoid skeletons). if the old testament was based on sumerian texts, than the anunaki created us in their image and likeness. NOT GOD.

thats about all i got now, as the rest of it is hard to back up.

i strongly believe that whatever we really are (we are spiritual beings first and human second) is infinite, and only that consiosness is god like. the physical is not necessarily real.

heres another one i like



enjoy, id love some feedback