Global warming myth

[Salvial]

Originally Posted by stoned budda

Man, that aint right lying to the people because the ends justifies the means. This isn't a dictatorship with Al Gore as the propaganda minister

Exactly. Especially if it's also a tool to inspire fear of global flooding and massive disasters. I believe, since your presidents now have near dictatorial powers in the event of a "catastrophe" which is a very vaguely defined term in the law that includes environmental events such as hurricanes. Since the government seems to operate under an older calendar generally, as proven if significant dates were to be juxtaposed with events in a celestial non-Julian calendar, they will have a better understanding of the Earth in general and how it effects mood as they can work with the stars unlike us, who are staying within an unfruitful inaccurate (a year isn't 365 days, and yes I'm aware of a leap year but I see it as even more proof that our calendar is irrational) calendar. Sorry, I'm high and ranting, but if anyone wants to get into that stuff, it's all very interesting and useful.

Peace and love.

[bkadoctaj]

Originally Posted by Salvial

Exactly. Especially if it's also a tool to inspire fear of global flooding and massive disasters. I believe, since your presidents now have near dictatorial powers in the event of a "catastrophe" which is a very vaguely defined term in the law that includes environmental events such as hurricanes. Since the government seems to operate under an older calendar generally, as proven if significant dates were to be juxtaposed with events in a celestial non-Julian calendar, they will have a better understanding of the Earth in general and how it effects mood as they can work with the stars unlike us, who are staying within an unfruitful inaccurate (a year isn't 365 days, and yes I'm aware of a leap year but I see it as even more proof that our calendar is irrational) calendar. Sorry, I'm high and ranting, but if anyone wants to get into that stuff, it's all very interesting and useful.

Peace and love.

Yeah, did you see my "does zero exist?" thread? I would argue that using math to measure our value system (money, time, distance, length, weight, etc.) will place more knowledge in the hands of some who realize that math is not literally reality, but merely a metaphor that is actually self-contradictory in that it counts zero and creates negative numbers *poof* just like that. Give me a break... It's all the same, and if you know the truth math is just as much proof as the Bible is for any understanding of existence.

[jUmphrey]

Originally Posted by stoned budda

Although i beleive that oil is a renewable source of energy and will never completely run out, i think that the population growth and technology advances are growing faster than the pools of oil can replenish.
With that said i do think we should look towards alternative fuels, but more along electric and nuclear. Ethanol, is not the answer.

I guess oil is "technically" renewable but I am pretty sure that it takes millions of years to form... But i do agree that Ethanol is not the answer and it makes me sad that the government is backing it so strongly...

[blazedandcrazed]

The only reason ethanol is being touted by politicians as the fuel answer is because they want to please the masses of farmers who would benefit from its use. in reality, it takes as much energy, between processing, shipping, ect. to get into your car as it can provide, so its pointless.

Originally Posted by Salvial

Have you researched hemp?

i've been curious as to how effective hemp oil would be as fuel. have any info?

thats what you were getting at right?

[Smokinscientist]

Originally Posted by stoned budda

Man, that aint right lying to the people because the ends justifies the means. This isn't a dictatorship with Al Gore as the propaganda minister

True, lying isn't the answer. But sometimes it seems right now, its the only way large corporations will even listen to the conservative movement.

Like I said before, We do plenty of damage to this earth without this greenhouse effect myth. I'd rather save whats left of the environment by lying large polluters.

That being said, of course we will get plenty of fuck overs because of this. Mass hysteria (aka y2k part 2) will happen, people (al gore) will get rich of this, etc.

But looking at the big picture. If global warming is debunked, and the "green" movement fails, we will ruin this earth. My best bet in the next 30 years or so.


Fusion energy may come in 20-30 years or so, so hopefully, this will solve all our problems. But I am being optimistic, as well as utopia-ish.

[Smokinscientist]

Originally Posted by blazedandcrazed

i've been curious as to how effective hemp oil would be as fuel. have any info?

thats what you were getting at right?

From internet info, I get 2 things:


I gather that hemp oil is evil, because it is made from marijuana, the worst killer in the history of mankind.

or


Hemp oil will solve all of humankind's needs for eternity. It will bring your grandma from the dead and go back in the past and kill Hitler before the Nazi movement.



So based on these two extreme internet opinions, i'd say somewhere in between.

[BONGGG]

Originally Posted by Smokinscientist

From internet info, I get 2 things:


I gather that hemp oil is evil, because it is made from marijuana, the worst killer in the history of mankind.

or


Hemp oil will solve all of humankind's needs for eternity. It will bring your grandma from the dead and go back in the past and kill Hitler before the Nazi movement.



So based on these two extreme internet opinions, i'd say somewhere in between.

Imagine: locking yourself in the garage and leaving the car on to hotbox your garage... rofl

[stoned budda]

Originally Posted by jUmphrey

I guess oil is "technically" renewable but I am pretty sure that it takes millions of years to form... But i do agree that Ethanol is not the answer and it makes me sad that the government is backing it so strongly...

Actually i believe there are sources of natural "organic" oil deep in the earths interior.
There has been some research done on this.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38645

http://www.oralchelation.com/faq/wsj4.htm

http://www.hithimagain.com/?p=16

[poodog313]

Originally Posted by stoned budda

Ethanol is about stupid, it actually cost more to produce than its worth

E85 is actually less effiecent to burn in vehicles than gasoline as well. I dont know the prices of e85, but i know it costs just as much as maybe more as gasoline.

Its 25% less effiecent than gasoline as a matter of fact, so lets say you got a silverado 1500 with flexfuel that gets 16 MPG in the city and 20 on the highway. If you burn e85 in it it will get 12 in the city and 15 mpg on the highway

[Mindcore]

My understanding is that Gore may have exaggerated that data. I celebrate skepticism in all its forms.

But it does seem that some of the gases we are emmitting from our machines are causing some changes in the atmosphere.

My understanding of gas behavior makes this not a controversial claim. The atmosphere is nothing but a gaseous solution.

If we produce enough volumes of anything that has chemical reactions you will see effects in the entire atmosphere.

But I don't know to what extent the problem is.

There is CO2 emmitting from underwater volcanoes.

There is a natural cycle of weather changes in the geological record.

But there does seem to be a scientific consensus.

[AlphaQ]

Leaving the realm of global warming and entering the realm of renewable energy...

Crop-based replacements for oil, specifically gasoline, are not feasible on a worldwide scale. The demand will far exceed the ability to supply. The simple problem is there is not enough irrigable land available for crops to replace current oil sources. The U.S. would have to be almost entirely covered in oil-replacement crops to sustain today's needs. Not to mention we still need land for food and places to live...

I think it is a great idea as an alternative, but as a replacement it simply cannot work as of now. The best options are to look into completely new solutions. Problem is the funding for this type of research is nowhere near enough to generate breakthroughs. Private companies can't make money these days throwing large amounts of their own money into research.

I imagine in the future there will be something like fuel cells powering a lot of the world. The exact nature of these fuel cells, I do not know.

[StickyxLover]

Originally Posted by AlphaQ

Leaving the realm of global warming and entering the realm of renewable energy...

Crop-based replacements for oil, specifically gasoline, are not feasible on a worldwide scale. The demand will far exceed the ability to supply. The simple problem is there is not enough irrigable land available for crops to replace current oil sources. The U.S. would have to be almost entirely covered in oil-replacement crops to sustain today's needs. Not to mention we still need land for food and places to live...

I think it is a great idea as an alternative, but as a replacement it simply cannot work as of now. The best options are to look into completely new solutions. Problem is the funding for this type of research is nowhere near enough to generate breakthroughs. Private companies can't make money these days throwing large amounts of their own money into research.

I imagine in the future there will be something like fuel cells powering a lot of the world. The exact nature of these fuel cells, I do not know.

The most likley is Hydrogen. Its expected that in the next 20-30 years almost all cars will be running Hydrogen fuel.

[AlphaQ]

Originally Posted by StickyxLover

The most likley is Hydrogen. Its expected that in the next 20-30 years almost all cars will be running Hydrogen fuel.

Hydrogen fuel cells certainly are a possibility, but as of now they are very expensive and not environmentally friendly. It is possible that cost and environmental impact will lower due to future breakthroughs. It is also possible that completely new fuel technology will emerge (table-top fusion, heh).

[bkadoctaj]

Originally Posted by Smokinscientist

From internet info, I get 2 things:


I gather that hemp oil is evil, because it is made from marijuana, the worst killer in the history of mankind.

or


Hemp oil will solve all of humankind's needs for eternity. It will bring your grandma from the dead and go back in the past and kill Hitler before the Nazi movement.



So based on these two extreme internet opinions, i'd say somewhere in between.

That's an interesting but dualist perspectivism. I like both at once because they are the same. In fact, they are mutually dependent.

[Mindcore]

I actually think Nuclear is our smartest option as a non-carbon fuel source.