do you think its normal to believe in both Creation and evolution?

well...do you?

Only uneducated protistant sheeple think evolution is wrong.

Most of the rational population including Catholics and Muslims accept science as gods creation instead of trying to prove science wrong with god

that being said, i know people who say "i believe in both" (not joking...hence the thread)

There is no reason why believing in both should be viewed as unreasonable.

I don't see it as unreasonable or not normal, I see those people as fearful. They don't believe in God, but fear eternal damnation just incase he is real. So they cop out and say that the universe is God or that evolution was his plan the entire time. Fucking lame.

Depends on how you're defining normal. It probably isn't very normal in most American circles. It's possible to take both evolution and creationism as true as long as you are using particular versions of each. For instance, if your position is that the Christian God put in place the natural laws that govern evolution, and that evolution ran it's course from there, then your position is somewhat consistent.

I don't personally think this view makes sense, and it certainly isn't empirically supported. Whether it's normal or reasonable is up for debate I guess.

I'll explain why its perfectly normal to believe in both (Creation & Evolutiom), as I used to do, before I stopped believing in god and turned agnostic atheist:

Since modern day science has no clue or answer as to how our universe was created, or most precisely, colloquially speaking, "where it came from", it is possible to believe in both because one does not negate the other and vice versa.

You CAN believe in a universe created by god(s), and also affirm that the creator doesn't interfere with or manipulate the universe, letting nature takes its course without his meddling participation. Evolution might be the result of its own will. But all in all, that's just twisting and stretching it.

What if Life and evolution are just byproducts of a grand universal experiment? A consequence of the inevitable, of time? If its not just us, how many more civilizations exist throughout our infinite cosmic bubble?

\Where are we really? Anyone?



So many questions, and few answers.

Edited by PeruvianDank, 20 May 2012 - 06:36 AM.

Fear.

I guess your talking about this?

Theistic evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well of course theres a good chance that a higher power started or created this universe. But is it the christian god thats talked about in the bible?? FUCK NO. man made that bullshit up. Everybody needs to realize the jews are the oldest religion, and they created all of this bullshit. they claimed their messiah would come one day, then jesus claimed to be that messiah. the jews said he was a liar, killed him. Jesus became a martyr and a new religion, christianity, was created and branched off of the jewish religion. Theres your history lesson for today, folks.

Now of course theres a magnificent grand scheme of things. Im atheist and i can fucking realize theres obviously a point or reason for the universe and that life is continuously evolving towards something great.

now...

Young Earth creationism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I personally think its completely ironic and hypocritical to believe this and evolution. It completely makes zero sense. if somebody believes in young earth AND evolution at the same time, i would try to either explain to them that they are mentally retarded or just leave them alone in their oblivion.

infact, if they believe in young earth creationism at all, they already are mentally unstable and brainwashed. We easily have human evidence dating back to almost 40,000 BC. Let alone all the fossils and carbon dating....

Edited by chadddd, 20 May 2012 - 09:45 AM.

I'll explain why its perfectly normal to believe in both (Creation & Evolutiom), as I used to do, before I stopped believing in god and turned agnostic atheist:

Since modern day science has no clue or answer as to how our universe was created, or most precisely, colloquially speaking, "where it came from", it is possible to believe in both because one does not negate the other and vice versa.

You CAN believe in a universe created by god(s), and also affirm that the creator doesn't interfere with or manipulate the universe, letting nature takes its course without his meddling participation. Evolution might be the result of its own will. But all in all, that's just twisting and stretching it.

What if Life and evolution are just byproducts of a grand universal experiment? A consequence of the inevitable, of time? If its not just us, how many more civilizations exist throughout our infinite cosmic bubble?

\Where are we really? Anyone?



So many questions, and few answers.

Science does not have 'absolutely no clue', actually, about the genesis of the the universe. There are many tantalising theories pertinent to the formation of this universes' existence and as a science, it is the pursuit of this knowledge that makes it more viable than concluding that a creator designed the instructions then pulled the trigger. This doesn't answer why anymore than science because there will always be the questions - 'why did the creator not want to interfere', 'why is he not benevolent?', 'why choose these constrictions of design? gravity and time etc?' which will never be answered through agnostic bewilderment and guessing.

Evolution does not have a will, there is no destination in mind with evolution. It is completely without predisposition and this is why a creator, who engineered and sparked the process of evolution, doesn't make any sense. There is simply no aim to it, except the blind encouragement of survival and sustaining existence with no prudence involved.

Your last paragraph, where you postulate if we are just the necessary product of time is the most likely and reasoned hypothesis - yet it is not given credence because people don't like to believe they are without purpose or importance. It's incredibly obnoxious to assume that we are entitled to a creator and not the consequence of natural phenomenon we shall never have the control of just because consciously, you feel we deserve one due to our 'advanced intelligence'.

I would like to point out that fear has nothing to do with it lol. I really don't understand why people quickly jump on this boat when things like this are discussed. I believe because of what I know...not because of what I fear.

Evolution makes logical sense.

So does creationism.

Because our existence beyond evolution makes no logical sense. Neither can make sense if one doesn't make sense. Both make sense if one makes sense.

Evolution makes logical sense.

So does creationism.

Because our existence beyond evolution makes no logical sense. Neither can make sense if one doesn't make sense. Both make sense if one makes sense.

You assume we have to "make sense"? The universe doesn't owe you a reason, or any degree of sense in your existence just because you feel it should intuitively

man i read all the posts up in here but still dont get the logic behind behind the alleged normalcy of believing in both because the two theories (and it is a big stretch calling Creation a theory) offer different explanations to one phenomenon....

You assume we have to "make sense"? The universe doesn't owe you a reason, or any degree of sense in your existence just because you feel it should intuitively

If we don't make sense, then how the fuck can you side with either evolution or creationism? If our existence makes no sense, how do you come to the conclusion that only one theory is correct, rather than both or neither?

You can't say we don't make sense and then say evolution makes sense.

If we don't make sense, nothing makes sense.

Nihilism 101 kiddies, welcome to class.

If we don't make sense, then how the fuck can you side with either evolution or creationism? If our existence makes no sense, how do you come to the conclusion that only one theory is correct, rather than both or neither?

You can't say we don't make sense and then say evolution makes sense.

If we don't make sense, nothing makes sense.

Nihilism 101 kiddies, welcome to class.

I didn't say we didn't make sense in a physiological nuance; evolution aims to explain how we have adapted to our environment over our period of existence, and through our ancestral development. Creationism on the other hand, attempts to answer the question of why we are here - i refuted their fundamental propositions by stating that despite attempting to answer these meta-physical questions, they merely compose more complex ones.

Furthermore, i continued by stating that there may not even be an answer to such questions, and that it is arrogant to assume that we deserve one by so self-appointed right. You also commit the fallacies known as 'Affirming a disjunct' and 'Denying the antecedent' by stating 'If we don't make sense, nothing makes sense' - What makes humans so special has to define the whole nature of the universe/s, and warrant an existential justification. The next time you attempt to audaciously patronize someone, at least understand their point.

Evolution - how we became human
Creationism - how the universe got here

Both are basically the same fucking thing. If you believe in evolution, how did the amoebas and algae and all that basic organism shit get here? Something put it here.

Shit doesn't just come from nothing. You have to eat first.

Which came first? The chicken or the egg? Something has to lay the fucking egg. How is an egg going to appear from nowhere? Magic?

Edited by fitftw, 20 May 2012 - 04:30 PM.

Evolution - how we became human
Creationism - how the universe got here

Both are basically the same fucking thing. If you believe in evolution, how did the amoebas and algae and all that basic organism shit get here? Something put it here.

Shit doesn't just come from nothing. You have to eat first.

Which came first? The chicken or the egg? Something has to lay the fucking egg. How is an egg going to appear from nowhere? Magic?

Umm no, actually, you do not just jump to the conclusion that something/someone put it there just because you are too ignorant to formulate another explanation (another fallacy... ). Moreover, how is the evolution of man and the genesis of the universe the same thing? Stop making the presumption that the universe was created for us as a species. There are hundreds of billions of other galaxies, containing trillions of stars and thus many trillions of other planets. A scale you cannot even fathom - WE are not special. We obey the laws of the cosmos just as every other organsim permeated throughout the stars.

The egg came first...as it was presumably laid from reptiles before they evolved into birds. The egg was also used by reptile ancestors and a more primitive version of the egg, such as spreading pollen, was presumably what the very first organisms used for reproduction (except under water). At no time did i need God or any of deity to answer that question. Really not that tough an explanation with a little research and critical thinking.

It's also pretty obvious, to any reasoned & rational person, that the chemical components and elements need to for the proteins which were used as the catalyst for evolution came from the interiors of dying stars, under immense pressures and temperatures. Possibly some of the chemicals landed here on earth through meteor showers, while the atmosphere was thinner, and thus saturated our earth under the right conditions with a suitable source of time.

You're a fallacy, and quite possibly your brain is controlled by a higher power and you don't even realize it.

Just admit that nobody knows more than anyone else about the origin of humanity nor about the origin of life as we know it.

I don't see it being strange that someone believes in a creator that created all things and one of those things eventually evolved into us.